Gary f:

"pet theories"?   :)

Best,
J

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jerry R, list,
>
>
>
> Lowell 2.4 introduces the “conditional *de inesse,*” as Peirce calls it,
> as the most simple and basic logical form that needs to be represented in
> the system of existential graphs. It was not obvious to me at first *why*
> Peirce chose this particular form as the place to start; so in the
> presentation of Lowell 2 on my website, I inserted as a sidenote a section
> from one of his 1898 Cambridge Lectures that explains in more detail what
> the logical issue is and why the “conditional *de inesse*” is so
> important for the Peircean approach to formal logic in the Lowells.
>
>
>
> And of course, you have to understand the part formal logic and
> existential graphs play in Peirce’s whole philosophy in order to see the
> point of what he’s doing in Lowell 2. So if you weren’t following Lowell 1
> very closely, you probably won’t follow Lowell 2 very closely either. That
> may mean you have to set aside your own pet theories and predilections to
> get on board with Peirce’s train of thought.
>
>
>
> Here’s the 1898 excerpt that explains the importance of the “conditional *de
> inesse*” *(R441, RLT 125-6, NEM4 169-70):*
>
>
>
> Cicero informs us that in his time there was a famous controversy between
> two logicians, Philo and Diodorus, as to the signification of conditional
> propositions. Philo held that the proposition “if it is lightening it will
> thunder” was true if it is not lightening or if it will thunder and was
> only false if it is lightening but will not thunder. Diodorus objected to
> this. Either the ancient reporters or he himself failed to make out
> precisely what was in his mind, and though there have been many virtual
> Diodorans since, none of them have been able to state their position
> clearly without making it too foolish. Most of the strong logicians have
> been Philonians, and most of the weak ones have been Diodorans. For my
> part, I am a Philonian; but I do not think that justice has ever been done
> to the Diodoran side of the question. The Diodoran vaguely feels that there
> is something wrong about the statement that the proposition “If it is
> lightening it will thunder” can be made true merely by its not lightening.
>
> Duns Scotus, who was a Philonian , as a matter of course, threw
> considerable light upon the matter by distinguishing between an ordinary
> *consequentia*, or conditional proposition, and a *consequentia simplex
> de inesse*. A *consequentia simplex de inesse* relates to no range of
> possibilities at all, but merely to what happens, or is true, *hic et
> nunc*. But the ordinary conditional proposition asserts not merely that
> here and now either the antecedent is false or the consequent is true, but
> that in each possible state of things throughout a certain well-understood
> range of possibility either the antecedent is false or the consequent true.
> So understood the proposition “If it lightens it will thunder” means that
> on each occasion which could arise consistently with the regular course of
> nature, either it would not lighten or thunder would shortly follow.
>
> Now this much may be conceded to the Diodoran, in order that we may fit
> him out with a better defence than he has ever been able to construct for
> himself, namely, that in our ordinary use of language we always understand
> the range of possibility in such a sense that in some possible case the
> antecedent shall be true. Consider, for example, the following conditional
> proposition: If I were to take up that lampstand by its shaft and go
> brandishing the lamp about in the faces of my auditors it would not
> occasion the slightest surprise to anybody. Everybody will say that is
> false; and were I to reply that it was true because under no possible
> circumstances should I behave in that outrageous manner, you would feel
> that I was violating the usages of speech.
>
> I would respectfully and kindly suggest to the Diodoran that this way of
> defending his position is better than his ordinary stammerings. Still,
> should he accept my suggestion I shall with pain be obliged to add that the
> argument is the merest *ignoratio elenchi* which ought not to deceive a
> tyro in logic. For it is quite beside the question what ordinary language
> means. The very idea of formal logic is, that certain *canonical forms*
> of expression shall be provided, the meanings of which forms are governed
> by inflexible rules; and if the forms of speech are borrowed to be used as 
> *canonical
> forms of logic* it is merely for the mnemonic aid they afford, and they
> are always to be understood in logic in strict technical senses. These
> forms of expression are to be defined, just as zoologists and botanists
> define the terms which they invent, that is to say, without the slightest
> regard for usage but so as to correspond to natural classifications. That
> is why I entitled one of the first papers I published, “On the Natural
> Classification of Arguments.” And by a *natural* classification, we mean
> the most pregnant classification, pregnant that is to say with implications
> concerning what is important from a strictly logical point of view.
>
> Now I have worked out in MS. the whole of syllogistic in a perfectly
> thoroughgoing manner both from the Philonian and from the Diodoran point of
> view. But although my exposition is far more favorable to the Diodoran
> system even than that of DeMorgan in his *Syllabus of Logic*, which is
> much the best presentation of the Diodoran case ever made by an adherent of
> it, yet I find that the Philonian system is far the simpler,— almost
> incomparably so. You would not wish me to take you through all those
> details. This general statement is all that is appropriate for this brief
> course of lectures.
>
> Be it understood, then, that in logic we are to understand the form “If A,
> then B” to mean “Either A is impossible or in every possible case in which
> it is true, B is true likewise,” or in other words it means “In each
> possible case, either A is false or B is true.”
>
>
>
> *From:* Jerry Rhee [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* 23-Oct-17 18:51
>
> Gary f, list:
>
> Thank you for that posting.
>
> I must assert though,
>
> I am surprised that if A is true, B is true, for I thought: if A were
> true, C would be a matter of course.
>
> Does B and not C surprise you?
>
> http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/L75/ver1/l75v1-04.htm
>
>  Best,
> Jerry Rhee
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Continuing from Lowell 2.3,
>
> https://www.fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-
> manuscripts/ms-455-456-1903-lowell-lecture-ii/display/13602:
>
> The most immediately useful information is that which is conveyed in
> conditional propositions, “*If* you find that this is true, *then* you
> may know that that is true.” Now in ordinary language the conditional form
> is employed to express a variety of relations between one possibility and
> another. Very frequently when we say “If A is true, then B is true,” we
> have in mind a whole range of possibilities, and we assert that among all
> possible cases, every one of those in which A is true will turn out to be a
> case in which B is true also. But in order to obtain a way of expressing
> that sort of conditional proposition, we must begin by getting a way of
> expressing a simpler kind, which does not often occur in ordinary speech
> but which has great importance in logic. The sort of conditional
> proposition I mean is one in which no range of possibilities is
> contemplated, which speaks only of the actual state of things. “If A is
> true then B is true,” in this sense is called a conditional proposition *de
> inesse*. In case A is not true, it makes no assertion at all and
> therefore involves no falsity. And since every proposition is either true
> or false, if the antecedent, A, is not true, the conditional *de inesse*
> is true, no matter how it may be with B. In case the consequent, B, is
> true, all that the conditional *de inesse* asserts is true, and therefore
> it is true, no matter how it may be with A. If however the antecedent, A,
> is true, while the consequent, B, is false, then, and then only is the
> conditional proposition *de inesse* false. This sort of conditional says
> nothing at all about any real connection between antecedent and consequent;
> but limits itself to saying “If you should find that A is true, then you
> may know that B is true,” never mind the why or wherefore.
>
> *http://gnusystems.ca/Lowell2.htm <http://gnusystems.ca/Lowell2.htm>* }{
> Peirce’s Lowell Lectures of 1903
>
> https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-1903-
> lowell-lecture-ii
>
>
>
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