Dear list,
Why Luke and not Matthew?.. Why not John? *"In the beginning was the **λόγος**". * *This is the very word used by the emperor: * *God acts, **συ**̀**ν* *λόγω**, with logos.* *I don't call a thing without logos** [**alogon**], a techne.* *quid sit deus*.. what would God be? *Blessed be the Lord God of Israel.. * *as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old..* Best for the New Year, Jerry R On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Wendy Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > It’s okay, Helmut. > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Wendy > > > On 31 Dec 2017, at 18:23, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jon, > Yes, Ive read that too: After the three wise men had left, an angel told > Mary and Joseph that Herod wants to kill the child, and they should flee to > Egypt, which they did. But the portray was "taken" in the barn, so they > were not on their way yet, so technically they were not refugees already, > only the next day or so. But maybe to portray them as refugees is justified > with the artist´s license to hop over this small time gap? I think, the > pope did not make the same mistake like me, but the journalist writing > about the pope did. Anyway, Wendy is right by saying they were not refugees > when the portray was "taken", and the sign becomes more complicated with > this aspect of artist´s license having to be included. Maybe it increases > the number of required pages to more than 20? > Happy new year, > Helmut > > 31. Dezember 2017 um 18:32 Uhr > *Von:* "Jon Alan Schmidt" <[email protected]> > > Helmut, List: > > There are two accounts of the Holy Family in the Bible. Matthew includes > the flight to Egypt to escape Herod after the visit of the Magi, which is > presumably what the artist who portrayed them as refugees had in mind. > Luke omits that particular episode. > > FYI, www.biblegateway.com is a handy site for looking up Bible passages, > especially since it includes various English versions and numerous other > languages. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Uh! Ive looked it up, and apologize. I am embarassed, why did I answer >> before looking it up? Now I dont see the point in the nativity picture >> anymore, an agree with Gary not to talk about it anymore. Sorry again, >> Wendy, happy new year! >> Wendy, >> but Mary, knowing she was pregnant, could not know whether somebody she >> had told this might have told it to Herodes´ spies? I dont know, maybe you >> are right, I just have to trust somebody about this, and please forgive me, >> I (at the time, hypothetically) rather trust the pope than you. I have not >> looked the matter up in the bible, though. >> Best, >> Helmut >> 30. Dezember 2017 um 21:35 Uhr >> *Von:* "Wendy Wheeler" <[email protected]> >> Helmut, >> >> The reason they travelled was as I’ve stated - as given in the gospel of >> Luke. Had they stayed at home, there would have been no slaying of the >> first born by Herod since the latter, according to Matthew, heard of the >> birth in Bethlehem from the three wise men who came to witness it. >> >> I’m not concerned with the Pope’s comparison. >> >> Wendy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 30 Dec 2017, at 20:09, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wendy, >> if they had stayed home, they would have had their first born slain. If >> this does not make them refugees, discuss it with the pope, who also >> compared them with the contemporary refugees. >> Best, >> Helmut >> 30. Dezember 2017 um 20:57 Uhr >> *Von:* "Wendy Wheeler" <[email protected]> >> Dear Helmut (and list), >> >> I’ve come to this discussion both late and rather incompletely. I haven’t >> read every contribution closely. Can I point out, though, and in case >> nobody else has, that the Holy Family were not refugees. They were >> travelling to Joseph’s birthplace in obedience to the requirements of the >> Roman census. They returned home afterwards. The Trondheim Nativity scene >> under discussion here thus looks like an iconic sign used to mislead. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Wendy Wheeler >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" > or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should > go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to > PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" > in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce > -l/peirce-l.htm . > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . 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