Gene, Gary f, list,
Gene wrote:
It seems to me that one can also say that some elements of our experience
are primate experience, and also even mammal experience, rather than
specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices need to be
bracketed out in scientific experience as well.
But aren't such primate, mammalian and material 'elements' immediately
*filtered*, so to speak, through our* human being* in order to count as *our
experience, *experience in Peirce's sense in the material under discussion?
So, while it's true that my pain in stubbing my toe is surely mammalian
pain, I immediately, quasi-necessarily turn it into *human* *experience*. I
say to myself "ouch!" (the pain is symbolized), "my right big toe" (the
pain is immediately localized in human terms), etc. Such human
symbolization allows us to not only experience, but also importantly to
reflect on our experience in order to, come to better understandings of the
nature of physical pain, to, for example, discover means to control it
medically for not only humans, but for primates, other mammals, etc.
Best,
Gary R
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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 3:28 PM, <g...@gnusystems.ca> wrote:
> Gene,
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> Yes — for me it goes without saying that humans are mammals and primates,
> but now that you’ve said it, I agree.
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> The Nietszche quote does seem timely in some respects … likewise this bit
> from the *Avatamsaka Sutra* that I quoted on my blog the other day:
> “There is not a single sentient being who is not fully endowed with the
> knowledge of the enlightened; it is just that because of deluded notions,
> erroneous thinking, and attachments, they are unable to realize it.”
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> Gary f.
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> } The lord whose oracle is at Delphi neither speaks nor conceals, but
> gives signs. [Heraclitus] {
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> http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ *Turning Signs* gateway
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> *From:* Eugene Halton [mailto:eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu]
> *Sent:* 6-Jan-18 14:13
> *To:* Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>
> *Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 3.11
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> Dear Gary F,
>
> Your comment concludes:
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> "That last sentence takes us to the crux of the challenge of
> Peircean semiotics and Peircean phenomenology: *Experience is our only
> teacher* in science, as he says elsewhere, and all of our experience is
> *human* experience — yet we are tasked to “take away the psychological or
> accidental human element” from our comprehension of the elements of the
> phenomenon, and specifically of semiosic phenomena. Nominalists and others
> will say it can’t be done; Peirce says “Why not?”
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> As a quibble, it seems to me that one can also say that some elements
> of our experience are primate experience, and also even mammal experience,
> rather than specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices
> need to be bracketed out in scientific experience as well.
>
> Nietszche said something that may speak to Peirce’s words, though
> perhaps not completely parallel:
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> "Your true educators and formative teachers reveal to you what the
> real raw material of your being is, something quite ineducable, yet in any
> case accessible only with difficulty, bound, paralyzed: your educators can
> be only your liberators." (Untimely Meditations III)
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> Gene Halton
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