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}Jon - yes, that's correct. To me, the Representamen is internal to
an agent. It has the function of mediating between the external set
of sensate data of the Dynamic Object...which is received by this
Agent as the Immediate Object. The Representamen then mediates, using
its knowledge base/habits..and transforms this data into an
interpretation of it: the various Interpretants.
So to me, both the loud sound and the typed word are, as external
stimuli - they are both Dynamic Objects.
The bird's neural pattern and my thoughts about the word 'vase' are
both habits: therefore, they rest within/as the Representamen.
Edwina
On Tue 06/02/18 3:14 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com
sent:
Edwina, List:
We may never be able to reconcile our different approaches, but at
least the root of our disagreement seems to be coming into sharper
focus. My current understanding is that for you the Representamen is
always (by definition) internal to an agent of some kind, while I
believe that it can be either external (like the loud sound and the
typed word "vase") or internal (like the bird's neural pattern and
your thought-Signs about the word "vase"). Perhaps this is where we
can begin to address Dan's valid question about "practical/empirical
consequences."
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur
Philosopher, Lutheran Laymanwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] -
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On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Dan - I agree; what are the consequences of our definitions?
My view, that the representamen is an act of mediation, of
transformation .."it creates in the mind of that person an equivalent
sign, or perhaps a more developed sign'. 2.228.....can be exemplified
in a NON-human example ...[After all, Peirce was adamant that his
analysis functioned within the physical and biological realms as well
as the conceptual'....
I gave this outline of the bird reacting to the loud sound...An
other example, with this same poor lab-bird, is:
The Dynamic Object [an insect] is ingested by the bird; it is then
as internal, an Immediate Object. The physic-chemical and biological
properties of the Bird, is its Representamen - which mediates and
transforms this DO/IO...into Interpretants [nutrients and the flesh
and body of the bird].
If we want to stick to purely the human Mind, then..
The word 'vase'..is a Dynamic Object. I read it and it becomes
internal to me and thus an Immediate Object. My knowledge base, the
Representamen, mediates this and transforms it to my personal
understanding of 'a vase'....this personal understanding is the
Immediate and Dynamic Interpretants. Rather a dull outline.
Edwina
On Tue 06/02/18 6:10 PM , "Everett, Daniel" dever...@bentley.edu
[4] sent:
I am enjoying this exchange and learning a good deal from it.
However, it seems to me that in a “true” Peircean spirit, one
would propose not only chapter and verse for how Peirce defined this
or that but mainly the practical/empirical consequences C.S. intended
each definition to have. Ultimately, I think that the main question
is “What are the consequences?” If we cannot point to the
empirical predictions of one definition over another, we aren’t
making our ideas clear in the relevant sense.
Dan
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