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}Stephen - I can't answer all your questions, but, to my
understanding, the fact of Firstness - which introduces deviations
from the norm, is a key 'cause' of the dissipation of a habit. To me
- that is entropy.

        I have no knowledge of Wittgenstein.

 On Tue 13/02/18  9:17 AM , "Stephen C. Rose"
 Edwina why is Firstness akin to entropy? Isn't Firstness the
location of what we might term ontology -- things we make into words
that are indeed Wittgenstein's unspeakables. Did Peirce believe that
entropy trumped what I would call syntropy? If so did he then believe
that logic was entropic? [1]
 On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Edwina Taborsky  wrote:
        Gary R, Jon, list:

        1. I don't think that there is an 'end to semiosis', because
Firstness, which is akin to entropy, is as basic to semiosis as
Thirdness/habits. Even a rock will dissipate. Also, I don't think
that Mind is ever separate from Matter and vice versa.

        2. I consider, as I outlined previously, that the situation with the
mother, child, hot stove, burn etc is not one Sign but a plethora of
Signs.  I don't think that a regression analysis is correct here.
Each Sign is triggered from another Sign but I don't think you can
regress to the One Sign. So, I continue to maintain that for the
Mother, the Sign that she reacts to is the cry of the child [a
Rhematic Indexical Sinsign]. The hot stove is almost irrelevant to

        3. I remain concerned about the role of 'quasi-mind'.

        4. Peirce has multiple and contradictory uses of the term 'Form' and
I certainly don't see it as akin to the formlessness of Firstness.
Firstness is a State and has no structure.


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