Interesting Edwina -- I would see the formation of a habit as what we are looking at. And indeed a continual adjustment even when habits exist in relatively stable form. A while back I took entropy to mean the dispersion of everything with no reference to Peirce or habits or the eventual attainment of order which I take to be an objective of CSP. Wittgenstein is of interest I believe because he regarded most of what matters as unspeakable. I am interested in what seems to me almost a Peirce goal to make metaphysics a science. That would be a good move.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: > Stephen - I can't answer all your questions, but, to my understanding, the > fact of Firstness - which introduces deviations from the norm, is a key > 'cause' of the dissipation of a habit. To me - that is entropy. > > I have no knowledge of Wittgenstein. > > Edwina > > > > On Tue 13/02/18 9:17 AM , "Stephen C. Rose" [email protected] sent: > > Edwina why is Firstness akin to entropy? Isn't Firstness the location of > what we might term ontology -- things we make into words that are indeed > Wittgenstein's unspeakables. Did Peirce believe that entropy trumped what I > would call syntropy? If so did he then believe that logic was entropic? > > amazon.com/author/stephenrose > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Gary R, Jon, list: >> >> 1. I don't think that there is an 'end to semiosis', because Firstness, >> which is akin to entropy, is as basic to semiosis as Thirdness/habits. Even >> a rock will dissipate. Also, I don't think that Mind is ever separate from >> Matter and vice versa. >> >> 2. I consider, as I outlined previously, that the situation with the >> mother, child, hot stove, burn etc is not one Sign but a plethora of >> Signs. I don't think that a regression analysis is correct here. >> Each Sign is triggered from another Sign but I don't think you can regress >> to the One Sign. So, I continue to maintain that for the Mother, the Sign >> that she reacts to is the cry of the child [a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign]. >> The hot stove is almost irrelevant to her. >> >> 3. I remain concerned about the role of 'quasi-mind'. >> >> 4. Peirce has multiple and contradictory uses of the term 'Form' and I >> certainly don't see it as akin to the formlessness of Firstness. Firstness >> is a State and has no structure. >> >> Edwina >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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