Auke, List: AvB: What is the dynamical object of a lexical item like man or homme. Men in general I suppose.
That is why I suggest calling this the *General *Object, as distinguished from the individual *Dynamic *Object of a particular Instance. Since "man" and "homme" have the same General Object, they are the same Sign; but because they have somewhat different Immediate Objects, they are different Types. AvB: With regard to actual semiotic processes I agree with you that the dynamical object depends on the occasion, but then we don’t discus propositions or terms (lexical items), but utterances and communication processes. As far as I can tell, Peirce did not make such a distinction. An utterance is an Instance of a Type. Regards, Jon S. On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Auke van Breemen <[email protected]> wrote: > JAS, List, > > > > What is the dynamical object of a lexical item like man or homme. Men in > general I suppose. > > > > With regard to actual semiotic processes I agree with you that the > dynamical object depends on the occasion, but then we don’t discus > propositions or terms (lexical items), but utterances and communication > processes. > > > > Best, > > > > Auke van Breemen > > > > *Van:* Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 26 januari 2019 16:50 > *Aan:* [email protected] > *Onderwerp:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances > > > > Auke, List: > > > > What I am suggesting can be summarized as follows. > > - Every Token has a different *Dynamic *Object and *Dynamic > *Interpretant--whatever > it *actually does* denote and signify, respectively, on that > particular occasion. > - Every Type has a different *Immediate *Object and *Immediate > *Interpretant--whatever > it *possibly could* denote and signify, respectively, in accordance > with the Sign System to which it belongs. > - Every Sign has a different *General *Object and *Final > *Interpretant--whatever > it *necessarily would* denote and signify, respectively, after > infinite inquiry by an infinite community; i.e., in the Ultimate Opinion. > > In other words, two *individual *Instances of the same Type always have > different *individual *Dynamic Objects and different *individual *Dynamic > Interpretants; while two different Types of the same Sign always have at > least *somewhat *different Immediate Objects and Immediate Interpretants > within their different Sign Systems. I am still pondering whether it is *also > *possible for two Instances of the same Type to have different *Immediate > *Interpretants, when they are accompanied by different Tones--font > changes for emphasis, punctuation marks, voice inflections, etc.--or if > those only affect their different *Dynamic *Interpretants. > > > > Regards, > > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 7:32 AM Auke van Breemen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > JAS, List, > > > > We must not forget that a sign needs to be considered in the context of > semiosis in actu if we want to become determinate as to which sign aspects > take what value on each of the trichotomies. For only that what contributes > to the result, i.e. the responding sign, takes part in the semiotic process > we study (See Hulswit’s *A semiotic account of causation*.) > > > > With regard to the dynamical object the tokens ‘man’ and ‘homme’ both can > be regarded as of the same type, just as the spoken and written forms of > ‘there’ can be regarded as the same type, although this probably is not the > rule. I agree that with regard to what the terms connote, respectively > English, French language with man and homme and written, spoken form with > ‘there’ they are definitely regarded as of different type. > > > > Best, > > > > Auke van Breemen > >
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