The Trinity has no legs because it is essentially the symbolic form of creedally based religion which cannot be universal on its face. Father Son and Holy Sirit would now best be understood as Source (Unconditional Love, Creator, Ineffable, Underlying) Incarnation (Christ Consciousness and who in fact all in fact are) and Spirit as the individualized forms material and heavenly of all living beings. We are only on the cusp of this awareness but most definitely the Trinity is not Reality as much as a way of looking at it. Reality is always tangible unconditional love expressed in Consciousness and activated by Spirits. Buy 99 cent Kindle books at http://buff.ly/1ulPHlK <https://t.co/ywLbuOu5NX> Join KIVA https://buff.ly/2ZSAv83 <https://t.co/UQ2Q6m1e7G>
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:26 PM Mary Libertin <[email protected]> wrote: > Gary R., List, > > Gary R., > > You say "How the Person of the Spirit comes into play is much too > difficult/subtle to attempt to summarize here.” I totally agree, but I do > think its absence in our discussion causes some of the (my) confusion. Can > you explain how The Holy Spirit works in this discussion? > > It seems to me an/the essential aspect of God; it is what makes God God. > There is God the father, God the son. And God the Holy Spirit. > > The Nicene Creed, in particular the Filioque doctrine, is very much > related to our discussion. The Filioque means “and son”— and one > interpretation of the Nicene Creed says that the Holy Spirit proceeded from > the Father and the Son, not just the Father. The Eastern and Western > churches split over this difference. And there are controversies in non > Christian religions. Why does part of the controversy not reverse the order > and state that the Father and Son proceeded from the Holy Spirit? > > In a sense the trinity is analogous to the concepts of firstness, > secondness, and thirdness of semiotics. And in “Neglected Argument for the > Reality of God” the play of musement explains the creation of ideas, > empirical testing of ideas presented as an hypothesis, and a decision based > on the result of the testing of the idea. Firstness depends on thirdness, > which is law, not the law but a law. I see the three aspects in musement > very much like the Holy Trinity. There is no beginning or ending. > > Substitute firstness with Father, or firstness with Holy Spirit, > and … basically, stop to consider all of the various permutations of 1/2/3 > with F/S/HS. . . .To accept all of the relations between them (1/2/3 with > F/S/HS) we have a process like semiosis, not a fixed hierarchy or > chronology. > > [Add gender to this. The Virgin Mother as part of God was essential to the > worship of the Middle Ages.] > > I see the debate among theologians and religions as analogous to debates > within semiotics, not just within Peircean semiotics. > > I apologize for the disjointed nature of this presentation. It is due, > only in part, to the nature of the subject. I do think the complication of > the Holy Spirit takes us to the center of the discussion. I look forward to > what others see as the role of the Holy Spirit in this. To leave it out > seems sterile. > > Best, > Mary Libertin > > On May 17, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]> > wrote:c > > How the Person of the Spirit comes into play is much too difficult/subtle > to attempt to summarize here. > > >
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