Im agree with Edwina. I also agree, that a perfect society is one of social sphere omnipresence and omnipotence, leaving the individuals merely spontaneity, and no will. They are reduced to firstness, but what is done with this their residual spontaneity, secondness and thirdness, is only a matter of the collective, not of the individual. The dystopy of the Borg-hive in "Star-Trek" shows a good example. A perfect society is a quasi-organism, that has reduced individuals to its organs, a fascist dream. Though this perfect society is completely malicious, it denies the existence of maliciousness (3dness badness), and acting badness (2ns badness), and claims , that badness like hatred is merely 1ns, absence of light. It after all has, keeps, and veils its badness-monopol.
I agree with Edwina´s recommendation of Karl Popper. I think, that there is a natural enmity between individual and social system, and that the individuals have always to see to keep the social system under control, so it shall never get anywhere near perfect. Measures for that are e.g. separation of powers, human and civil rights, freedom of press and speech, and so on.
 
Best, Helmut
 
 
 03. Juli 2020 um 21:44 Uhr
 "Edwina Taborsky" <tabor...@primus.ca>
wrote:

I personally find the comments by Henry James the elder rather ..I'm not sure of the word. Not merely naïve but possibly alarming.

I consider that the agenda to develop a 'perfect society' has always been a basis for totalitarian subjugation - whether it be the socialism of fascism or communism; whether it be an isolate cult or an ideology.

Such an agenda, in my view, ignores that we are material, finite entities, and as such in a mode of Secondness, which is a mode of 'brute interaction' - and diversity rather than homogeneity. Furthermore,  we cannot ignore that there is no such thing as 'perfection' - whatever that means. Instead, I prefer the 'bricolage' of Karl Popper, his rejection of 'historicism' [vs a theistic interpretation, ie by recognizing God as the author of the play performed on the historical stage" [The Open Society and Its Enemies, p8]. AND the open evolution of both Popper and Peirce, where, with the reality of both Firstness and Secondness and Thirdness - there is no such thing as 'perfect'.

Edwina

 

On Fri 03/07/20 1:39 PM , g...@gnusystems.ca sent:

Gary R, list,

I just came across a piece of the reverse side of Turning Signs that strikes me as relevant to the “ways in which Peirce's philosophical trivium might help inform the aesthetics, ethics, and critical thinking of the world as it emerges from the coronavirus pandemic” — and relevant in a way that I don’t think has been discussed in this thread before. It’s only a 3-to-5 minute read: http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/snc.htm#x14 .

Gary f.

 

From: Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com>
Sent: 13-Jun-20 16:04

 

List,

In a recent op-ed piece titled "The End of College as We Knew It" (https://tinyurl.com/ybha8mhb), Frank Bruni reflects on something I've been informally discussing with friends and colleagues now for years; namely, that "A society without a grounding in ethics, self-reflection, empathy and beauty is one that has lost its way” (Brian Rosenberg, recently  president of Macalester College). It seems to me that this has happened in the United States.

It has long seemed to me that America today has largely abandoned what might be called the normative trivium of aesthetics, ethics, and logic -- Peirce's three Normative Sciences, not the classical trivium (for which see Sister Miriam Joseph's 2002 bookThe Trivium: The Liberal Arts of Logic, Grammar, and Rhetoric) that he generalized to serve as the three branches of Logic as Semeiotic.

This philosophical trivium points to the possible application of Peirce's three Normative Sciences -- not their theoretical forms, but rather their ordinary and potentially pragmatic guises as they appear in life practice, including reflection and action upon what is beautiful in art and nature, what is ethical in our behavior in the world, and how we can apply 'critical commonsenseism' in our quotidian lives. Bruni writes: " We need writers, philosophers, historians. They’ll be the ones to chart the social, cultural and political challenges of this pandemic -- and of all the other dynamics that have pushed the United States so harrowingly close to the edge. In terms of restoring faith in the American project and reseeding common ground, they’re beyond essential. "

Bruni's op-ed reflection came in part in response to a recent article by Rosenberg in The Chronicle of Higher Education ; see "How Should Colleges Prepare for a Post-Pandemic World" (https://www.chronicle.com/article/How-Should-Colleges-Prepare/248507). Rosenberg writes: “If one were to invent a crisis uniquely and diabolically designed to undermine the foundations of traditional colleges and universities, it might look very much like the current global pandemic.” In a similar vein, Professor Andrew Belbanco, president of the Teagle Foundation which gives as its purpose promoting the liberal arts, writes:  “This is not only a public health crisis and an economic crisis, though Lord knows it’s both of those. It’s also a values crisis. It raises all kinds of deep human questions: What are our responsibilities to other people? Does representative democracy work? How do we get to a place where something like bipartisanship could emerge again?”

Commenting on the economic divide of the American university, Bruni notes that "the already pronounced divide between richly endowed, largely residential schools and more socioeconomically diverse ones that depend on public funding grows wider as state and local governments face unprecedented financial distress. A shrinking minority of students get a boutique college experience. Then there’s everybody else."  Gail Mellow, former president of LaGuardia College of the City University of New York (where I taught for decades before my retirement) is quoted as saying, “We always knew that America was moving more and more toward very different groups of people," to which Bruni adds, "that movement is only accelerating."

Confronting all this will undoubtedly be one of the great challenges that America -- and for that matter, the world -- will have in the years and decades to come. The question I pose is: Can Peirce's version of pragmatism (or pragmaticism) -- which he also calls 'critical commonsenseism' -- creatively contribute to these enormous challenges? And, if so, how? And are there ways in which Peirce's philosophical trivium might help inform the aesthetics, ethics, and critical thinking of the world as it emerges from the coronavirus pandemic? If so, how?

 

[Note: I have Bcc'd this post to several former members of this forum, a few members who rarely if ever post but who have stayed in contact with me offlist, and a few friends and colleagues who have not been members but who may have an interest in this topic. Those who are not current members of the forum may send your thoughts on the topic off-list to me letting me know if I have your permission to post them.]

Best,

Gary


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