Robert, List: RM: This is a shameful manipulation that everyone can see. It offends scientific ethics.
There is nothing shameful, manipulative, offensive, unscientific, or unethical about highlighting and emphasizing a portion of a direct quotation to make a particular point, especially in a context where it is being ignored or at least discounted. It is incontrovertible that according to Peirce in CP 3.559 (and elsewhere), the mathematician frames a pure hypothesis *without inquiring or caring whether it agrees with the actual facts or not.* RM: All these absolutely disloyal practices that Bernard Morand has just denounced ... Disloyal to whom? What matters here is being faithful to *Peirce's own texts* when attributing specific views to him. Why not just acknowledge disagreement with him where one thinks that he got something wrong? RM: ... after many others, and not the least, such as John Sowa, whose awareness of Peirce and scientific stature is indisputable, Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, and Peirce sharply contrasts the method of authority with the method of science. RM: I note that the debate has fallen to a level unworthy of Charles S. Peirce to whom this list is dedicated, and this without any moral authority intervening. I agree, but we presumably have very different perceptions of who is responsible for the degradation of the discourse here. Besides, the only relevant "moral authority" is the List moderator, Gary Richmond, and it is entirely up to him whether, when, and how to intervene. RM: However, I am not going to give up... simply, I would not waste another minute fighting arguments biased by such practices... In other words, a *substantive *rebuttal is not possible, so instead there is yet another emotional rant full of baseless allegations and empty complaints. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 4:37 AM robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> wrote: > List, > > > JAS > . "As for CP 3.559, there is no"magic trick" involved in simply > recognizing that its last sentence is a *summary *of the entire > paragraph." > > > > Here is that last sentence. This is indeed a summary of CP 3.559. But you, > JAS, *summarize this summary* to the only part I underlined in bold: > > > > *"**Thus, the mathematician does two very different things: namely, he > first frames a pure hypothesis stripped of all features which do not > concern the drawing of consequences from it, and this he does* *without > inquiring or caring whether it agrees with the actual facts or not **(1* > *);* *and, secondly, he proceeds to draw necessary consequences from that > hypothesis."* > > > This is a shameful manipulation that everyone can see. It offends > scientific ethics. > > After the hodgepodge of quotes created in a few minutes that would require > a whole book to answer, > > After the "improved" quote from EDT kindly qualified as a humoristic touch > by Gary Richmond, > > After this "reconstructed" quote to cover up an operation to revise the > foundations of Peirce's thought, > > All these absolutely disloyal practices that Bernard Morand has just > denounced after many others, and not the least, such as John Sowa, whose > awareness of Peirce and scientific stature is indisputable, > > I note that the debate has fallen to a level unworthy of Charles S. Peirce > to whom this list is dedicated, and this without any moral authority > intervening. > > However, I am not going to give up... simply, I would not waste another > minute fighting arguments biased by such practices... > > Following serenely ... > > > Regards, > > Robert Marty > Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy > fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty > *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* >
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