Jack, List:
Indeed, Peirce distinguishes *dynamical *objects and interpretants from
*immediate *objects and interpretants, and he also distinguishes
*genuine *signs
(symbols) from *degenerate *signs (indices and icons). Although the
*principles *of phaneroscopy are employed in drawing these distinctions,
they only arise within the normative science of logic as
semeiotic--specifically its first branch, speculative grammar--rather than
within phaneroscopy itself.
I agree with Gary F.'s endorsement of EP 1-2 as the best place to start for
reading Peirce's own words. As for the secondary literature, I typically
recommend the following.
- John K. Sheriff, *Charles Peirce's Guess at the Riddle: Grounds for
Human Significance* (1994)
- Kelly A. Parker, *The Continuity of Peirce's Thought* (1998)
- Paul Forster, *Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism* (2011)
- Robert Lane, *Peirce on Realism and Idealism* (2017)
- Francesco Bellucci, *Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotics*
(2018)
In my opinion, Parker's volume is still the best overall introduction to
Peirce's comprehensive thought.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:33 AM JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY <
jack.cody.2...@mumail.ie> wrote:
> Thanks for that, Gary. Yes, you're right, genuine/degenerate and
> dynamic/immediate were the distinctions I had in mind. I've been making my
> way through Peirce's works for a while but every now and then I need to
> read secondary sources just to see how likely/unlikely my interpretation of
> Peirce is.
>
> Thanks again for the resources.
>
> Jack
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* g...@gnusystems.ca <g...@gnusystems.ca>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:25 PM
> *To:* JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY <jack.cody.2...@mumail.ie>;
> peirce-l@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>
> *Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 36
>
>
> Jack, what you are asking for here is what I call (in my book
> <https://gnusystems.ca/TS/dlg.htm#chrt>) “premature precision.”
> Nevertheless I can offer a few pointers. The Commens Dictionary (Commens
> | Digital Companion to C. S. Peirce <http://www.commens.org/>) is the
> best resource for his terminology, but all of the many quotations in it are
> taken out of context (of course), so it’s no substitute for reading the two
> volumes of *The Essential Peirce*, which are by far the best way to begin
> learning what he thought. (Except that the very first article in EP1 is
> among his most difficult.) A shorter online alternative is Peirce:
> selections, summaries and secondary sources (gnusystems.ca)
> <https://gnusystems.ca/Peirce.htm>.
>
> Referring to the specific terms you mention: there is no
> “dynamic/degenerate distinction” that I know of. There is a very important
> *dynamic/immediate* distinction which applies to both objects and
> interepretants (not to signs themselves). There is also a
> *genuine/degenerate* distinction which he only rarely applies to signs,
> but does apply to Secondness and Thirdness (it does not apply to Firstness)
> in his phenomenology/phaneroscopy. You can find examples of these
> applications in the Commens Dictionary.
>
> Gary f.
>
>
>
> *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
> *Sent:* 31-Aug-21 10:35
> *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; g...@gnusystems.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 36
>
>
>
> Gary F, List,
>
>
>
> I wonder, in the context of the below slide, what are the precise
> relations/roles of dynamic/degenerate signs with respect to distinctions of
> internal/external (or fiction/fact, though this might be far too sharp a
> boundary to draw)?
>
>
>
> Or, is there any work people would suggest for those of us still coming to
> terms with Peirce's terms? (but especially the dynamic/degenerate
> distinction).
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Jack
>
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