List: If I may add a realistic note to the discussion on changing terminology. My opinion come from three significant experiences with scientific notations.
Before I offer my opinions I would note historically that CSP writings are flows of changing terminologies with rare examples of concerns about precedence of prior terminologies. Indeed, these flows of terminologies are essential to the developments of his views, style, propositions and logics. > On Dec 13, 2023, at 6:26 PM, Edwina Taborsky <edwina.tabor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Jon, list > > With regard to bringing Peirce’s work to a broader audience - I can think of > a number of issues. > > 1] We should not assume that our audience are first year undergraduates; as > you point out - the people who are exploring Peirce may very well be much > more advanced scholars in other fields, with their own discipline’s > vocabulary and frameworks. I think we should be more amenable to enabling > them to use their vocabulary and framework - within a Peircean framework. > There is, for example, a great deal of excellent work on Anticipation - > within physics, computers, AI, biology - which certainly fits in with > Peirce’s work on Existential Graphs. The terms used are different - but- the > concepts are similar - and Peircean conferences should encourage this > awareness - and not require the authors to use Peirce’s terms. > > 2] I think a great setback and problem with using Peirce in these scientific > areas was the original marginalizing of him by setting his work up as a ‘ > Semiotics’ - with de Saussure as the main author and Saussure’s semiology as > the main analytic framework within the field of semiotics. Saussure’s > semiology is, in my view, a simplistic binary framework of ’this-means -that’ > with an external Agent necessarily uniting the two - and furthermore - it is > linguistic or cultural, and ignores the natural semiosis.. This framework > readily enables an overarching ideology of other dyads - which fit right into > the leftist Marxist frames of created class and ‘oppressor/oppressed’ . And > so, we get semiotics viewed as semiology [ which it is not] and operating as > some kind of subjectivist free-interpretation… > The many books on semiotics all misuse Peirce in this way - including > providing images of the semiotic triad as a triangle [rather than an > ‘umbrella-triadic spoke]. > And of course - these works also totally misunderstand the categories. > > Indeed - I think the categories are one of the most misunderstood of Peirce’s > basic theories…[well, yes, so is the triad, locked into that triangle image]… > > Edwina > >> On Dec 13, 2023, at 5:36 PM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> wrote: >> >> Jon, Robert, Edwina, List, >> >> All three of your discussions are well considered. As I said at the >> beginning, we have to distinguish two audiences: Peirce scholars, for whom >> exact quotations, sources, and dates are essential; and 21st century readers >> in all branches of cognitive science. I'll say a bit more, using the >> attached figs2_3.pdf for examples. >> >> For textual criticism and for establishing connections between and among >> texts, exact quotations are essential. But in writing for a 21st century >> audience, the terminology must be faithful to Peirce, to his sources, and to >> the expected vocabulary of the readers. To illustrate the issues, I'm >> enclosing an excerpt from Section 2 of the article I'm writing -- >> figs2_3.pdf. >> >> Re Peirce's ethics of terminology: As Peirce said, he would consider >> himself bound by those ethics if anybody else had adopted and used his >> terminology. That is why he coined the term pragmaticism to distinguish >> his intentions from a broader usage by others. I believe that is also why >> he coined the new term phaneroscopy, which was strongly influenced by his >> correspondence with Lady Welby. >> >> To Jon: I agree with Robert about "your unusually exhaustive work on" >> Peirce's writings about interpretants. I had read most of the excerpts you >> cited, but the absence of dates in CP and NEM made it hard to keep track of >> the sequence. >> >> Peirce's own terminology had changed over the years. He did not consider >> himself to be limited by the words he coined himself, unless other people >> had adopted them. That is the major reason why he adopted the term >> pragmaticism. But when nobody else adopted one of his coinages, he felt no >> obligation to continue using that term. >> >> For the attached excerpt I was writing for a mixed audience. Most of my >> expected readers have a strong background in one or more branches of >> cognitive science, a field that was organized at a conference in 1983. The >> six founding branches include philosophy, psychology, linguistics, >> artificial intelligence, neuroscience, and anthropology. Peirce contributed >> to or studied in depth aspects of all those fields, and experts in each of >> them participated in the Peirce Bicentennial in 1989 and the Centennial in >> 2009. >> >> There is much more to discuss about these issues and about ways of bringing >> Peirce's work and its modern implications to the attention of a broader >> audience. I would like to hear and discuss various suggestions. >> >> John >> <Figs2_3.pdf> > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu > with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in > the body. 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