Michael, I have always seen Peirce positing 'objective idealism" as essentially a *metaphysical* doctrine as he contrasts it with two other 'doctrines' in "The Architecture of Theories" and, in fact, refers to "objective idealism" *as* a 'theory' in his definition.
The materialistic doctrine seems to me quite as repugnant to scientific logic as to common sense; since it requires us to suppose that a certain kind of mechanism will feel, which would be a hypothesis absolutely irreducible to reason, – an ultimate, inexplicable regularity; while the only possible justification of any theory is that it should make things clear and reasonable. Neutralism is sufficiently condemned by the logical maxim known as Ockham’s razor, i.e., that not more independent elements are to be supposed than necessary. By placing the inward and outward aspects of substance on a par, it seems to render both primordial. The one intelligible theory of the universe is that of objective idealism, that matter is effete mind, inveterate habits becoming physical laws. As such, your notion that "the participial form gives the correct notion of *process* involved in reaching the state of idealism"* implies that 'objectified idealism' is, rather, a processural state to be reached. * *However, reflecting further on Peirce's definition in light of your participial version**, I can see how you might have come to that processual notion because of one word in Peirce's definition, namely, 'becoming'.* CSP: The one intelligible theory of the universe is that of objective idealism, that matter is effete mind, inveterate habits *becoming *physical laws. (emphasis added) But 'becoming' is simply a necessary component of the theory, and especially in the context in which Peirce frames it in "The Architecture of Theories," contrasting it with two other doctrines (viz. neutralism and materialism). . . (A) as independent, a doctrine often called monism, but which I would name *neutralism*; or, (B) the psychical law as derived and special, the physical law alone as primordial, which is *materialism*; or, (C) the physical law as derived and special, the psychical law alone as primordial, which is *idealism*. . . . I still would hold that 'objective idealism' is essentially a metaphysical doctrine. Best, Gary On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 3:04 AM Michael Shapiro <[email protected]> wrote: > Gary, > > I think that using the participial form gives the correct notion of > *process* involved in reaching the state of idealism. > > M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Richmond <[email protected]> > Sent: Feb 25, 2024 12:17 AM > To: Michael Shapiro <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] > > > Michael, > > What do you think of Ivo Ibri's notion that "Synechism is, in fact, a > synthesis of Peirce’s idealism and realism, in the way that it is possible > to conceive a reality constituted by general relations and possibilities > under only one substance, viz., eidos or ideality" ? > https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-09625-9_17 > > I ask this as I'm still unclear as to what your distinction is between > 'objective idealism' and 'objectified idealism'. Peirce's notion -- as > controversial as it has been -- seems to me clear enough: > > > The one intelligible theory of the universe is that of objective idealism, > that matter is effete mind, inveterate habits becoming physical laws (Peirce, > CP 6.25). > > > "Objective idealism" seems to me to be a metaphysical idea, while > "objectified idealism" suggests (perhaps) a logical notion. In any case, > and again, I'm not certain as to what you mean by "objectified idealism." > > Best, > > Gary > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 3:35 AM Michael Shapiro <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> John Sowa et al., >> >> >> >> In case y'all would like to read something of what I've had to say more >> recently (as in my last book, *The Logic of Language*, 2022), attached >> herewith is an article. >> >> M. >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at >> https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at >> https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all >> the links! >> ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >> [email protected] . >> ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to >> [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the >> message and nothing in the body. More at >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . >> ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; >> and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. > > >
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the links! ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
