Comment: Not as an "excuse" but if that empty pretentious rhetoric and totured syntax given in the example from Butler that won the Doublespeak/Gobbledegook Prize is an example of her normal prose and speech, I would need at least six Captain Morgan spiced Rums to go to hear her and six more to begin to deconstruct the deconstructionist to find some small pearl of something worth considering. I wonder how many working class women or women on Reservations could relate to or understand the rhetoric in the example of Butler's writings given in the Doublespeak award? I suspect few if any. Just as progressives need to deal with issues that matter to workers in language that is understandable and allows feedback from those workers and oppressed the same applies to the so-called Feminists about issues and language that matter to women. Otherwise, it is nothing but narcissism, careerism, opportunism, market-nicheism, semantic masturbation, CV-buildingism and pretentious crap. That's OK but label it for what it is and please take it to the right-wing and out of progressive issues and movements where serious issues in comprehensible language and subordination of big egos are desperately needed. I openly admit ignorance to much of Butler's work--not self-imposed igorance simply as a result of scarcity of time and other pressing issues e.g. genocide in Indian Country. I am open to being shown that I have missed and/or fail to see some substance and penetrating insights that would be valuable for my teaching or activism. But so far, as for an "impression", I just see another pretentious and narcissistic academic careerist latching on to a unique market niche and I most certainly do not see evidence of "one of the ten smartest people on the planet." Jim Craven On 20 Jan 99 at 13:10, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > Jerry, > But, gee, Louis has confessed to all of us his bad > behavior. We now know that he was drunk at the LM > conference, by his own admission, and that he skipped > crucial sessions because he was in his room reading, by his > own admission. So, we can all see what his behavior was > and judge for ourselves. > Why doesn't this satisfy you? > Barkley > PS: Congrats on finally opening the OPE-L archives. > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:56:43 -0500 (EST) Gerald Levy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Reply to Michael P: > > > > a) I did not re-raise this issue. Proyect did when he revealed his drunken > > behavior, etc. at the "Rethinking Marxism" conference. Blame him. > > > > b) There was nothing in my post that could fit any reasonable definition > > of a flame. > > > > c) The *reason* this issue won't go away is because it is a legitimate one > > to raise. > > > > d) You say that Proyect is a "valuable member" of PEN-L. THIS WAS > > GUARANTEED TO EVOKE A RESPONSE FROM ME. How is Proyect "valuable"? Is he > > valuable when he libels the late Paul Mattick Sr. the other day? Is he > > valuable when he sends us *daily* doses of *SPAM* Yes, spam. > > Posts that have *nothing* to do with PEN-L, were authored for another > > list, and are sent here as junk mail. Is this "valuable"? (I won't even > > bother going into Proyect's other "valuable" contributions here -- like > > the time he engaged in and later admitted to outrageous sexism on this > > list). BUT, MICHAEL, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. If you don't want us > > -- anyone on this list -- to say anything to or about Proyect, fine. I > > can live with that. But, if you have praise for him, then you MUST expect > > and allow those with a contrary perspective to be heard. > > > > Jerry > > > > -- > Rosser Jr, John Barkley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "To speak of atrocious crimes in mild language is treason to virtue." (Edmund Burke) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
