Well, it's sort of ancient history about AM. I agree with you that there was that 
aspect to the AMs. They did call themselves (informally) the "no-Bullshit Marxism 
group. Course this was in the 70s, when there was a lot of bullshit Marxism about. 
Still, there was an unnecessary arrogance there. However, no need to dwell on it with 
the evaporation of the school. 

It is still useful to have a label to refer to people who were involved in a common 
project, referred to reach other's work, etc., just like with the Frankfurt School or 
the Althusserians. I mean, you were a lot more likely to find me referring to Roemer 
or Elster than to Adorno, or Habermas to Adorno than to Roemer, etc., so it at least 
tells you the frame of reference if not who's better than what. 

What planet are you from, the AMs eschew philosophical reflection? If anything, they 
engage in too much it. A tendency where the leading figures were a philosopher of 
history (Cohen), a political theorist (Elster), a methodologically hyper-conscious 
economist (Roemer) and political scientist (Przezworeski), and historian (Brenner), 
almost all of whom have written reams of philosophy of science, ethics, and political 
philosophy--this is what you mean by a  movement that is not philosophically 
self-aware? You can't be serious. Maybe you think the stuff is all worthless, but it's 
not like it's not there.

But I am not stuck on the label anyway, I just pitched in because various people were 
sneering at the tendency that I was part of if I was part of any tendency, and which 
in any case I thought did not deserve sneers. 

As far  as analytical philosophy goes, your friend has a take on it that I would not 
wholly agree with. AP was something Russell and Moore invented around the 1890s when 
they were bored by British Hegelianism; it was empiricistically minded philosophy with 
a strong dose of logic--Russell was a very great mathematical logician; it was 
infused, in England and America, by the logical positivists, themselves strongly 
influenced by Kant and relativity theory, when the LPs fled Nazi-occupied Europe. For 
about 30 years, analytical philosophy was either LP or its critique. LP and its 
linguistic phil outliers came apart after 1950 and by 1975, Humpty Dumpty was all in 
pieces. This is when I started college. It was exciting; there was a sense we were 
going to get it right this time. The big tendency were (Marxist imspired) scientific 
realism and social constructivism in the Kuhnian mold, or so it seemed to me, but I 
was a philosopher of science.

I will add that the anti-metaphysical animus of logical positivism was wholly gone by 
then; courses were offered on metaphysics, and "epistemology & metaphysics" is one of 
the core specializations. Along with philosophy of mind and language, it is the 
hegemonic one. So your friend is quite wrong about that aspect. He is also wrong that 
APs have to reject the "synthetic a priori"; C.I. Lewis was defending a version of it 
in the 30s and 40s, and if he isn't an analytical philosopher, no one is. Quine too is 
happy to defend the synthetic a priori,a nd he is THE analytical philosopher. Your 
friend wrongly identifies AP with logical positivism, which was only true in part and 
long ago. 

However, 25 years later, things have rather come apart. There are no common doctrines 
or methods, the territory is pretty well mapped, and while there is a lot of 
sophistication, there is not much progress or sense of progress. Granted I have been 
out of professional philosophy for six years, but I keep my hand in, and others I 
respect agree with me. There are no figures of the stature of Russell or Wittgenstein, 
or even Quine or Sellars. The field is treading water. This is not just the case with 
analytical philosophy. "Contintental" philosophy isn't going anywhere either. I mean, 
postmodernism? Give me a break. 

It is true that analytical philosophy is dominant in research departments. That means 
a lot less than the dominance of NCE in economics departments, because you can be an 
analytical philosopher and do Hegel or Marx as long as you do it analytically, that 
is, rigorously. we will get static from the logicians and the episptemology and 
metaphysics snobs, but you can still do analytical philosophy and do just about 
whatever you like. This is a function of the lack of focus and the general 
degeneration of what used to be logical positivism and its critics into philosophy 
that is written with an aspiration to the clarity and precision attained by the 
logical positivists.

It is true that some analytical philosophers use the language of "counterintuitive" to 
describe certain results or to frame objections, but that's just a way of saying, "You 
don't really want to say _that_, do you?" It's not a view that there are things called 
"intuitions" that signal truths. 

It is also true that AP is a turn off for a lot of students. They come to philosophy 
courses having read Nietzsche and burning with existential angst, and some TA or 
professor makes them parse arguments. What do these terms mean? What are the premises? 
Does that follow? What about this objection? What a bore.  

It's hard work and doesn't address the quest for meaning that attracted them to 
existentialism to start with. I know, because I was one of those students, and had 
hundreds when I was a professor. Of course, AP also turns on the students whom (in the 
view of the profession) are best at philosophy. After a while, when I was socialized 
into it, it turned me on too. It's called thinking, and it's no more natural to humans 
than athletic achievement. And like athletic achievement, it takes painful work, and 
it isn't for everyone.

-jks

In a message dated Thu, 13 Jul 2000  5:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jim Devine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

<<

If you are to talk about AM as a school compared to other schools of 
Marxism, you have to have some way of differentiating it from those other 
schools. Or simply drop the term "AM," which would be quite useful.

And unfortunately, the AM school _was_ involved in such a product 
differentiation war, lording it over the peons. (I, on the other hand, 
don't like this kind of academic sectarianism. I don't need to engage in 
such, of course, because I am better than everyone else.)

>As far as dictionary definitions, meaning is use, companero, the term is 
>almost certainly based on "analytical philosophy," which just means (since 
>the mid-60s), careful, precise, and explicit philosophy), and that is all 
>the the "analytical" in AM meant. It's quite compatible with synthesis.

again, this doesn't distinguish the AM school from other non-official schools.

I asked a colleague in the LMU  Philosophy Department (Mark Morelli) about 
"analytical philosophy." He writes:  >... it is a fairly vague notion of a 
philosophical approach and technique or methodology. It has its origins in 
British empiricism and tends to be empiricistic, i.e., believing, with 
Hume, that all knowledge is derived from experience, and not just that it 
all begins with experience. Its methodology is 'conceptual analysis', 
usually beginning with ordinary language usages and then doing a logical 
analysis of concepts and their relations to one another. When it comes to 
the question of what's actually true in any given case, it tends to rely 
upon commonsense intuition and frequently makes use of the criterion of the 
"counter-intuitive." <

his evaluation of this view:
 >Overall, not in my opinion a very philosophical procedure. It claims to 
eschew metaphysics, although it consistently presupposes one. It rejects 
Kant's synthetic a priori  judgments (hence, 'analytic' as distinct from 
'synthetic'). The analyses offered are occasionally interesting and 
enlightening. The movement as a whole underwent severe criticism in the 
'70s for its excessive detachment from the concerns of living, and this 
resulted in an effort to do a lot of analysis of ethical concepts. Some 
regard the entire movement as extremely bourgeois, and many students who 
encounter philosophy for the first time in the analytic atmosphere are 
turned off and disappointed. <

This fits with the "analytic" Marxism I've read, which generally refuses to 
engage in philosophical reflection. Formal logic -- or mathematics -- are 
what the school is about, generally ignoring deeper philosophical and 
methodological issues.

He adds: >Happily, our department, unlike the great majority of "state of 
the art" philosophy departments in California and the
USA generally, is not monolithically analytic in its orientation, but is 
rather self-consciously pluralistic. Our analytically-trained philosophers 
at LMU differ from the more common sort in that they do not maintain that 
if you are not doing philosophy in the analytic style you are not doing 
philosophy at all.<

This suggests that "analytic philosophy" tends to rule the philosophy roost 
the way NC-ism rules economics.

>"Me-sophisticated:" (beat on chest) "Ugh. Me solve many simultaneous 
>equations. Me real manly."

That's Roemer -- and unfortunately the hegemonic school of economics. 
Paraphrasing Hegel, if it's not mathematical, it's not real.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

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