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Steve
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, neil wrote:
> The USSR's GOSPLANs were " planning" from above . And markets,
> (controlled in various ways)-- existed in the USSR up to its demise.
> This is STATE planning but not socialist planning. Western market societies
> also have varied forms of planning by the STATE, from So. Korea ,
> Mussolini's Italy , to the
> USA in WW2 , Japan, etc. and many other examples.today , $250 Billions/yr
> Corporate Welfare
> ( R. Nader's estimate) by the US STATE is part of an indirect form of
> limited planning by the
> bourgeois STATE. Does this also have anything to do with workers rule or
> socialism.?
> Of course not..
>
> The Russian Economists, Bukharin, Preobrezenski , later Lieberman, all
> recognized
> their own contradictions to one degree or another . But not the existence
> of a new
> Russian /USSR ruling class over the workers of course . ( This did not
> prevent the first two from
> being shot anyway)There as no such thing ever as any " USSR , INC." as
> recent posts
> have implied existed there. There was still competition between USSR
> plants and
> industries for labor and materials and managers were expected to reach
> goals--
> at least some averged rate of profit playing a key role via each plant and
> industry as a whole.
> The reactionary Hayek and company were setting up a straw man--Stalin-ism
> to assault..
>
> Russia could not cheat the law of value forever. Nor can the others. State
> capitalism
> has been used as a key prop to shore up waeker capitals in many lands. It
> is not
> in vogue as much now by rulers as during the 20s, , the Depression and
> WW2. But it is not
> entirely out of vogue and could be employed more and capitals latest
> problems
> continue , and/or masses revolt /fight more against the neo-liberal
> marketeers
> austerity pummelings, or as new power blocs amongst capitals spring up, to
> keep
> rivals under control-restriction s.
>
> Neil.
>
>
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