--- Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know about Chase-Dunn and 'market socialism'. In this 1999 article
> on "Globalization: a World Systems Perspective", he calls for soft-pedaling
> opposition to WTO and throwing one's support behind a 'global state'
> whatever its class character. 

This is pretty much what Boswell and Chase-Dunn suggest in "The Spiral of
Capitalism and Socialism" as well. I am not at all comfortable with the
strategy they are suggesting to the global movements, as, for example, it
involves supporting the EU and the like and then somehow democratizing them
later. I am not claiming that their strategy suggestions have no merits since
they suggest, for example, going beyond coordinating existing unions at the
global level and organizing the unorganized workers and the unemployed, both in
the core and the periphery. However, calling their approach neo-Bernsteinism
seems to be a fair assesment. 

On the other hand, Louis, I don't know how realistic it is to expect in these
days that the working class can be armed to smash the structures of capitalism,
whether they are at the national or global level, either. In the not so near
future, maybe. But any such attempt now in my country would find the Turkish
Army, which is immersed in imperialism up to their ears, ready to smash them
and it is highly unlikely that the army will side with the revolutionaries any
time soon. Obviously, this is just one example.

However, my problem is that my people and I are suffering badly and we need
some remedy soon.

To put it differently, I am puzzled and I am sure I am not alone.

A very sad period with many of unknowns and uncertainties we all are going
through I would say. 

Anyway! 

I asked my original questions because I don't know much about the existing
market socialist models and  am interested in hearing from market socialists
and their opponents their reasons for and against.

Best
Sabri


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