Santiago wrote:
Dear Mr. Proyect,

I came across your comment about a marxist explanation
about my country's collapse and I found it really
interesting. While studing for my degree in
International Trade I had the luck to have professors
of marxist thinking.

Santiago, I hope you don't mind if I reply to you on the listserv I moderate, where my posts first appeared. I will leave off your last name in the interest of privacy.

I think it will be hard to find a marxist explanation
to this country's collapse because I think that the
reasons that led this country to disaster had been
little discussed in Marxism. As Marx stated, to reach
socialism, a feudal society must become capitalist
first.

Well, not exactly. I would recommend Teodor Shanin's "The Late Marx", which discusses Marx's correspondence with Russian populists and socialists who believed that a peasant based revolution could be a springboard for a continent-wide assault on capitalism. In fact, he disassociated himself from his more "orthodox" followers, including Plekhanov, who did believe that capitalism was a prerequisite for socialism.


First of all I wouldn't say Argentina is a capitalist
country. I think it is a country that has been trying
to convert to capitalism without success for about 400
years. Socially Argentina can be divided in two parts:
Buenos Aires and Inland Argentina. During the Spanish
Empire, due to the leather trade (and smuggling)
Buenos Aires was a city where the bourgeoisie, not the
aristocracy, mattered. This fact was unique in the
Spanish Empire. As we know, to reach development a
country must change from a feudal society to a
capitalist one. Spain, the metropolis took 200 years
to complete that change, Buenos Aires was a trading,
proto-capitalist society already in 1800. To
illustrate this I will tell you that Buenos Aires in
spite of being a very marginal part of the Empire, at
the time of the Napoleonic Wars had the second
merchant navy of the Empire. The Spanish monopoly and
the feudal and low populated hinterland being major
obstacles for its development.

I imagine that I have a more rigorous definition of feudalism than you do. I regard this as a system based on the circulation of use-values organized around fiefdoms. Marc Bloch's studies of feudal society are a good place to understand how class relationships were organized there. By contrast, Spanish colonialism was organized around commodity production. Despite the prevalence of forced labor of one sort or another, goods such as cattle, wheat and cotton were produced for the world market. For an extended analysis of these questions, I recommend a look at articles I have written at: http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/economics.htm under the heading "Brenner thesis".

Today things have not changed a lot, although the
"capitalist Argentina" expanded towards northern
Buenos Aires Province and southern Santa Fe and
Cordoba, the rest of Argentina is still feudal. In a
feudal society the population work for the lord, in a
feudal Argentine province you will see that the
governor is responsible for most of the jobs: It may
be the most important landowner, he may be also the
owner of the most important produce-processing
industries and of course, he administrates the
provincial governement that is the local main
employer!. What about the other capitalists that
should participate in the government? They donnot
count: if they exist, their business activities depend
on the existing governor activities so they will be
part of the ruling party and will agree with any
decission that makes the governor's business prosper.
If there is any industrial investment it is surely
foreign (i.e. from a Buenos Aires industrialist or a
true foreign investor) and does not participates in
the local politics. Isn't this feudalism? (Just see
Carlos Menem, his province of origin (La Rioja) and
the ruling party, Peronista). This fight between
feudalism and capitalism has been the origin of the
civil war in 1820-1860. Although feudalism won the
war, it was Buenos Aires that effectively rule.
Being a semi-capitalist country, Argentina found its
way towards development until 1914. 1914 was the year
when universal sufrage was put into practice and was
the beginning of the retirement of the bourgeoisie
from politics.

Well, if you want to describe Argentine society as feudal, who am I to stand in the way. Let's agree to disagree on definitions.

In any case, good luck with your studies. I know that graduate school can
be a real bitch.


I find a close relation between populism,
neo-feudalism and imperialism. The foreign capital
works with local "caudillos" who collaborate with
them, creating a symbiotic association that obstrucs
the upsurge of a local capitalist class which are
economic competitors for the foreign capital and the
political ones for the "caudillo".
But how did this all originated? My answer is
Latifund, by creating such a dispair wealth
distribution it obstacles democracy and capitalism.
The existence of the latifund creates such a
situation, and latifund although run in a capitalist
way was what impeded the development of Argentina.
When the customer that originated all that wealth
(Europe) decided to be self-sufficient was the
beginning of the end. The liberal way was no longer
feasible and capitalists simply desappeared from
politics, the still backward society found the only
way was a turnback to feudalism which coud led to no
other place than underdevelopment.

Santiago
Milan, Italy

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