First a little point for point....
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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Mark Jones Was Right

That oil is a finite resource is not a question; I hope. because if we were to argue it is not, then that is a doosy per se. so what is the problem here, that oil will peak in 2006, 2010, or 2015 etc. is Hubbert's an imprecise forecast method. this is just like saying the bubble will burst but I do not know when give or take five years.

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dms: Or it's like predicting that the stock market is going to fall, or that it's going to rain.  Make the prediction every day and eventually, maybe, you'll be right, but only half as right as a stopped clock which is right twice a day, with exactly the same lack of meaning.

 

The point is not the predictive accuracy for yes, oil is indeed finite.  The point is whether or not the current actions of the bourgeois order, of capital, are determined by the finite capacity of a "natural" resource, or by those contradictions inherent to a system where the means of production are organized as a property form requiring the aggrandizement of wage labor.

 

In simpler language-- is the determinant of the current situation based on the falling rate of profit in the oil industry based on the growth of constant capital, or is the determinant some quickly approaching depletion of the "natural" supply? 

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so what next, that production will peak and that bringing in new capacity to past levels will cost more per unit of output. and that oil price and control is relevant since oil is a principal commodity in all production. it is precisely the point at which cheap oil production evaporates when alternative energy sources are too costly to smooth the transition from one mode of energy dependency to another in the process if you like of capital accumulation.

it is not like as if we were going to wake up tomorrow and find that oil is gone. it is like when it becomes more expensive to draw oil out of the ground, going for control of high reserves of cheaply mined Arab oil (1 dollar per barrel) makes for a hell business, both in itself and insofar as you strangle others with it. that is why Iraq and the gulf where cost of production is cheap is the big prize for US bourgeoisie

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dms: There have  been three OPEC price spikes since 1973.  None of them had anything to do with increased costs of production.  In fact, the latest one 1999 was in fact triggered by overproduction, itself a result of the declining cost of production below the 1949 post WW2 low.  You can look it up.

 

Further, the historic trend for finding and lifting costs for US petroleum majors has been downward since 1973, with an upturn around 1996-97 as more US effort went into deepwater drilling.  The recent trend has resumed its downward costs.

 

You are right.  We sure aren't going to wake up and find the oil gone.  And the bourgeoisie and the markets do NOT react to predicted 30 year scarcities.  Capital does not allow that.  It's all about fear and greed for capital, today's fear and greed, today's cash.  Markets have no memory and less imagination.  If it were otherwise, there would never be overproduction, or bubbles, or the repitition of the same old same old scams.

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. that is why Mark Jones was not only right.. his little peace on the castration of Japanese capital was one good piece of Leninist analysis, but he like I fall into the trap of becoming natural scientist when we are not.

the point is not about natural science however, it is about the process during decline.

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dms:

Don't know if I read that piece, but yes OPEC 1 in particular sure smacked the Japanese around, and OPEC 2 had some impact, but moreso in the 1986 price break, leading to the Plaza Accords, and the gutting of the USSR>

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And now for the another, perhaps, bigger issue:

 

The scarcity argument, and Mark Jones' argument was/is NOT about cost--the depletionist argument, which Jones embraced, is about an absolute zero of petroleum/hydrocarbon availability.  That supposed Marxists can endorse this assertion without considering its meaning for all of Marx's work and critique, including that most important critique, the necessity of proletarian revolution, is mind-boggling.  The depletionist argument is that the end is near, repenting won't help, and the future looks a lot like George Miller's Mad Max series of films  ( love that motto of primitive accumulation..."Who run Bartertown?").  Socialism is no solution, except maybe to ration the misery, the devolution, on a more equitable basis.  Gee, thanks.  And no thanks.

 

I have heard socialists quote depletionists, and quote without criticism, that the "carrying capacity" of the earth is only 2 billion people-- and these same socialists never go to the next step and suggest what we should do with the 4 billion extras, or how much energy it is going to cost to cull the oversized herd of bipedalists we call humanity.   This manifestation of short attention span pseudo radicalism leaves the answer and the power firmly in the grip of those who control the means of production.  Actions have consequences.  Accepting the depletionist argument as the governing force of petro-capitalism is an action resulting in an ideology of and for extermination.

 

And that ain't right.  Jones or no Jones.

 

dms 

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