by Craven, Jim

Response Jim C: Look, whatever the problems or deficiencies in Moore's
film from any ideological purist's point of view (or from the point of
view of those familiar with even more salient facts/perspectives than
mentioned by Moorer in his film), I do applaud his effort and that he
did manage to get some salient facts across to some very diverse
audiences that would have not otherwise been exposed to such facts. But
if part of the story that is missing--in order to get across another
part of the story in ways more "acceptable" on a mass level--undermines
the part of the story being put across and/or creates further illusions,
and mystifications--or outright bourgeois falsehoods and lies about
America--then what is the point?

But... This appeal to de jure formalism and what America is "really
about" and what those who put on uniform are really fighting for is
noxious. Our young people--and not-so-young people--who put on a uniform
may believe they are fighting for the "American Way", "American
Freedom", the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, etc.  but they are
really fighting for imperialism, plutocracy, oligarchy, despotism,
illusions, puppet client-states, imperial hegemony and hubris,
conspicuous consumption, unbridled environmental degradation, racism,
sexism, fascism, militarism, etc--on the objective level--and on the
subjective level, they are often fighting for money for college
education, self-esteem issues, hero-complex, travel, adventure,
relatively good pay for relatively little formal education, training,
skills, resume embellishment, the Audy-Murphy-syndrome, family
traditions, etc. And no, not all Americans hold the Bill of Rights as
sacred; certainly not those who vote for Bush and also a good percentage
of those who vote for Kerry do not hold these de jure (hardly rights de
facto) "rights" as "sacred."

Jim C.

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CB: I'd pick and choose among the Bill of Rights. Among my favorite
Amendments are  13 ( Lucky 13 !), 14, 15, 19, and the Amendment Provision
itself.  Lawyers and judges have interpreted the Constitution; the thing is
to change it !

As you say, Jim, a lot of de jure, of ideals. But this is a bourgeois
idealist constitution with the _First_ Amendment being freedom of Conscience
-speech, religion, press.

We materialists would make the number one Amendment - in fact, lets put it
in the original text - as a right to a living, to exist materially, bodily
and economically, to thrive. You have to able to eat in order to speak. This
provision is a premise for making the right to speak de facto.

But what is it to just exist ? We must be able to thrive. We need an ERA for
women's equality, if we are going to get real about life and the facts of
it.

And lets take the War Power away from Congress, because they have , in
violation of the Constitution, abdicated it to the Executive. I'm for an
Amendment that requires a vote of We, the People, before war can be
declared.

Well, all this is still idealist, constiutionalist talk. We've got to
critique all, new Gotha Programmes more.

Meanwhile, it seems as though Michael Moore is doing more good than harm,
but criticism-self-criticism is one of our modes.

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