Re: China and socialism

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>>>As for whether China would be a good model for the rest of the  Third World, let the people of the Third World decide for themselves. We don't  need self-righteous academics in the West to pronounce what is an ideologically correct model for the Third World.  The sad fact is that the Western left  have done little for the Third World beyond destructive talk. Until members of  the Western Left can control their own imperialists governments and improve the  lot of the poor in their own societies, they had better be a bit more humble about what is correct.< <<   Lou's reply:   <<What arrogance. Henry Liu had no  problem lecturing Marxmail about Jews supporting Adolph Hitler, but he is  neither Jewish nor German. When he stops writing about things that are not  exclusively Chinese, I will stop writing about things that are not exclusively  Jewish.>>   Comment   When it all fall down and the truth comes  out. Ones Jewishness is not an issue because in the American Union . . . Jews  are not oppressed and exploited as Jews. Who cares what Jews supported Hitler as a political context? Individuals always try and save their hide and protect their families and conditions under diverse conditions.   What are you talking about . . . man?   That is to say Chinese and the overseas Chinese appear to have a different relationship to China than Jews to America. This means their social and economic relations in history is different from the Jews to America. There is a difference because China is a geographic bound land mass with a long unbroken continuos history . . . like 2000 years.   In the sense of Jews I think we talking about very early mercantilism and coinage. trade and what would a thousand years later be expressed as a form of merchant capital.   The real issue is the anti-China lobby and its demand for Regime Change or the overthrow of the  government and CPC in China and this political conclusion is embedded in ones economic and political approach to China.   It would be a tragedy if Henry limited his writings to China and have lengthy . . . very lengthy writing on the banking system in America and Europe is excellent material . . . even if one disagrees.   I happen to think his material is brilliant.   It would be a tragedy if Lou did not learn where his individuality ends and others individually begins. On the world stage the revolutionaries in different countries are not and do not take the academic left serious in America because it is the hand maiden of the imperial bourgeoisie.   We the Bully Boys on the block . . . Lou . . . you are more American than Jew and you need to ask the world people about this. Lingering in the corridors of ones mind will get them in trouble.   It is not the economic data on China that is in question but your politics. You have called the leaders of China some bad things based on the interior of your mind and not the history of China.   You know my feeling on this matter . . . rotten chauvinism.   In terms of this Jewish thing you raise . . . I am African American and I am not cosmopolitan and at this stage of history the worlds people reject cosmopolitanism as ideology for a complex of reasons. What does you being Jewish mean in America for the social struggle?   I can tell you in plain terms what Henry being Chinese mean to the social struggle in America and China.   Don't thug . . .  outside of your class league and narrow conceptions. Or rather understand the boundary and limits.   Now if you were not anti-China and anti-Soviet and anti-Russian and had the answer for everything on earth . . . but have no credentials . . .  wait a minute.   Is it because Leon Trotsky was a Jew that you have affinity with him?   You raised the Jewish Question. You . . . not me.   I only raise the question of social revolution and African American Liberation because it is central to American history. There is no economic contradiction between African American and America as a social and political history and economic formation other than an intractable social position. Is this the case with Jews?   What is this Jewish thing about? What . . . you talking about . . . man?   What do you suggest for China?   You're apparently the "Shell Answer Man."   Henry's proposition are extremely clear covering the entire economy form sovereign credit to the relative inequality of equality . . . that is working families can receive more money than that of the bourgeoisie based on need . . . to monetary reform and why China should not devalue its money. Did you know Jefferson's attitude on the baking system and if you did why did you write a nonsensical history of the Civil War and Reconstruction and the property relations of the South?   Leave China alone . . . or at any rate be careful. What . . . you have the right to say anything because you a Jew? You inserted this into the question of China for reasons known only to you.   See . . . I have no tolerance for the bullshit.   The real world is not Jewish or cosmopolitan although I am the closest to cosmopolitan as a historically evolved people is going to get in this freaking era.  And we can take this issue to the streets and let it get resolved in the crucible.   You have an opponent and if you want to deal with this "Jew thing" in America . . . that you raised . . . we can do this.   There is a whole intellectual stratum of black mutherfuckers outside your orbit and childish view and groups of communist workers with records and credentials . . .  that disagree with you on everything.   What next . . . homosexual rights and the Gay issue in China? This is your mode of operation . . . when in contest raise anal sex.   You do not even try and write for the working class.   You need to back down.   I will tell you something man . . . no one asks for your support . . . because we (WE) know what freedom involves. I have had enough of your imperial chauvinism.   Back down and stay to your level . . . brother.   Melvin P.   This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm