By no means, (a less fascistic police state is higher in my preference
ordering) but it's not a choice of ending production and making
Winchester employees re-employed in other machine-tool industries since
more US gunmakers are having their key consumer lines produced outside
the US (the Japanese do this, for example). We really have to be
realistic about small arms production, distribution and consumption at
their various scalar and trans-national levels since for every US person
unarmed for our own piety, there are a bunch of folks (us and others)
who will use them and if we stop making them, for example munitions
makers / merchants like the Swiss (those notoriously neutral non-warring
folks) will make more of them for sale in an "open" market. It still is
about ideology (in the last, bitter instance). If you've got the cash
you probably can get a firearm; the issue is one of realistic
constitutional regulation.
Ann
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Charles Brown wrote:
If I follow your discussion , you are for maintaining the status quo ?
Myself, I have no problem with ending mass production of guns and
bullets. Of course, with finding new jobs for people at Winchester,
etc.
Charles
Guns
From: ann li <
This has more dimensions than a linear cost / benefit issue and what
would it mean to regulate possession since it implies the fear of
confiscation rhetorically universalized like the truly cold dead hands
of Charlton Heston? It is certainly clear that guns are more than
pleasure/pain instruments so perhaps it's more about not discussing it
like the car/plane death stats. It is definitely about liberals
supporting by ignorance an amplified police state with gun control
legislation.
The actual problem of illegal guns is in the informal economy and not
with those who purchase their guns. Note that the recent issues of
police devoting time to "getting guns off the streets" in NYC has its
roots in a small number of specific gun dealers or FFL holders who are
intentionally negligent in NC and VA plus the regulatory incompetence of
the feds in that regard. The net result is more oppression and an
escalating police state at a variety of local and regional levels using
weak reasoning. Domestic violence in terms of fatalities is probably no
less numerous relative to weapons or means for hopefully obvious
reasons.
The issue is not about regulating guns or constraining the freedom to
add one to one's accumulated personal property. It really does get down
to ideology (religion) and our bitterness(sic) in that system of
consciousness manifesting itself in a variety of materials from SUVs to
other instruments of pleasure (like guns). I won't go through why it's
not about the gun sports being willing to capitulate to more regulation;
since gun registration ultimately can never be like automobile
registration.
Claims about gun deaths (US homicide vs the rest of the world not in
civil war) cannot be sustained when you consider the assumptions
necessary for the traffic / air travel fatality comparison. It is not
about availability since most career criminals definitely get firearms
without going though availability constraint procedures.
It is the ideological elements of gun use regardless of nation; recall
my prior post about the distortion of what a Iraqi gun cache is in terms
of media representation and its Other, liberal gun fear or cultural
illiteracy at its very core as with the incoherent CA regulations on
assault weapons. If you wish to reduce the violence and its prevalence
among certain groups, one might actually make them into fearful liberals
and not convince the poor that they should join the military so that
they won't get trained in gun use as the method for empowerment.
I recommend Abigail Kohn's/ Shooters: Myths and Realities of America's
Gun Cultures,/ to further understand the pleasures ("fun") of gun
culture, but would really prefer a discourse on global small arms use
(military and civilian) that truly tries to understand some basic
political economic facts about gun proliferation and distribution (and
the use by police agencies) as well as the primary ideological context
for such cultures.
Note of course the recent acquittal of the cops in the Sean Bell case -
somehow when one of the cops reloaded after emptying a magazine, the
argument about reasonable premises disappeared into the "fun" such folks
have when they abuse constitutional authority and responsibility under
the "color" of the law.
Ann
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