On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Gar Lipow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Certain forms of consumption, such as massive amounts of flying and
> SUVs probably are unsustainable (and are also comparatively new). But
> quite luxurious electric trains are sustainable - ones where you are
> guaranteed a seat, and which run 24 hours a day with no more than a
> ten minute wait are sustainable. That is GDP even the way we measure
> GDP now.   The only areas where I see the workers in the rich nation
> having to give anything up are : individual cars, the huge red meat
> consumption and cheese, and flying. None of these have to be reduced
> to zero, but they genuinely do need to be reduced.



Gar,
This sounds entirely reasonable. But the 4 items you identify are HUGE! I
submit that there is not a sufficient acknowledgment of how revolutionary
these changes are. Example you give up personal automobiles, you give up the
dream of owning a nice suburban home with lawns and a large backyard with a
20-30 mi commute for work etc etc.
-raghu.

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