Sabri Oncu wrote: > > Carrol: > > > Consider this under the heading of "pure capitalism" uncomplicated by > > un-capitalist national lines. > > I guess, we have deviated from Michael's original question, but I let > me ask this before I go to rest: > > What are un-capitalist national lines? > > The international system of nation states is one aspect of the > world-capitalist system we are in, is it not?
Yes. In actuality capitalism could not exist without that system of states. But, first an empirical point: Noe how fantastically varied have been the states within which capitalism has existed and is existing. Capitalism needs states, but it seems that any old form of state will do. So I think that we can say that the state as such is "un-capitalist" -- there is no such thing as a "capitalist state" but only a myriad of states in which capitalism exists. Moreover, again this is empirical, the boundaries of those states as well as the states themselves are constantly shifting. So capitalism needs The State but capitalism as capitalism does not create the state -- the state is not intrinsic to capitalism as capitalism. I'm tired and still weak from alingering cold so I'm going to bed. I'll continue this later, including some bibliographical suggestions. Carrol _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
