On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Jim Devine wrote:

I don't want to insult Austria. I'm told it's a pleasant country.


Austria's greatest national achievement was persuading the world that Beethoven was an Austrian and that Hitler was a German. "falsche welsche Majestät"--Hans Sachs's prophesy was spot on!

Shane Mage

This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
kindling in measures and going out in measures."

Herakleitos of Ephesos

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