me: >> the main thing that Clinton gets credit for is the economic boom at >> the end of the 1990s, which lowered unemployment rates and allowed >> temporary moderation of the upward trend in inequality. But that >> wasn't Clinton's doing.
Julio Huato wrote: > The unions, instead of trusting their direct, raw, undigested > experience (telling them unequivocally that Democratic administrations > were not as anti-union as Republican ones), should have waited for Jim > to sort out true causes. Now _there's_ a argumentation technique that's guaranteed to promote rational discussion: make it personal! (irony intended.) By the way, such personal attacks simply cause flame wars. I'm not interested in one of those. In my experience, it's best to be skeptical about "direct, raw, undigested experience." It's important to have perspective too; it's useful to digest the experience now and then. If you stick a pencil in a glass of water, it _looks_ as if the pencil is bent, but it isn't. Driving along a road on a hot day, it _looks_ as if there's water on the road ahead, but it's almost always just a mirage. BTW, I _never_ said that DP administrations were as anti-union as GOP ones and I don't think that's true. (In fact, I argued against putting too much anti-DP meaning into Doug's stats.) I'd say instead that the DP has been quickly drifting to being as anti-union as the GOP. Part of the reason is the organizational weakness of the unions (which encourages the DP to ignore them and to make compromises at their expense, which in turn encourages increased labor's weakness). The fact that what's left of the labor movement has volunteered to being the DP's captive audience (voting for the DP no matter what) is part of its organizational weakness. If it tried to figure out how to game the system, sometimes refusing to endorse the DP, maybe they'd get something from that party. I believe that was the original point of this thread. Julio, please don't attribute opinions to me that I don't have. -- Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
