ravi wrote:
> The answer is to bring those predators back (which is entirely feasible in
> many cases)... but really, clubbing other animals to death under the banner
> of preventing starvation and sickness is not really a better option, is it?

No, clubbing critters is a bad thing. It demeans the clubbers while
inflicting unnecessary pain on the clubbees.

In the case of deer, I think that there's nothing wrong with using
hunters as substitute for predators. However, I think hunters should
be required to eat all the venison they produce (or to sell it to
someone who will eat it). Whenever animals are slaughtered (including
mole rats and other non-cute critters), a serious effort should be
made to find a use for the results.

My problem with PETA is that they tend to value animals over people.
Or maybe their PR is so bad that they only _look_ like they value
animals over people. (They may be closet humanists.) For example,
they're not just against testing on animals to develop make-up (which
seems reasonable tom me). They're also against testing
human-life-saving drugs on animals.

me:
>> We shouldn't be overly concerned with the issue of cuteness. A lot of
>> endangered species aren't cute the way baby seals are.

ravi:
> The use of "cuteness" is tactical. Or do you think I encourage list members
> to oppose this annual brutality because I am worried about the loss of
> cuteness? ;-)

I try not to attribute motives to anyone on the list, since I can't
read minds (especially in e-mails). But PETA and Bridget Bardot (if
she's still around) are pretty overt with their thinking and seem more
concerned with cuteness than they should be.

The use of cuteness in a tactic prevents a lot of communication with
the non-PETA folks. Is there some effort to present the PETA world
view to everyday people? _why_ should we give up on testing pro-human
drugs on animals?
-- 
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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