Greetings Economists,
On Jul 10, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jim Devine wrote:

I don't see why you emphasize the religious stuff so much. I'm an
agnostic in theory and an atheist in practice, but I don't see any
reason why I should proselytize others to take up my (lack of)
faith.[*] In addition, I've known a lot of very religious people who
have been very militant and dedicated in leftist politics.

Doyle;
With respect to Iran to me removing the Mullahs from power is a key objective for democracy. Government in my view cannot function democratically through religion.

JD writes;
Of course we shouldn't expect too much. But dismissing mass
demonstrations in an authoritarian society as mere "electoral protest"
is going too far the other way. Expecting too little is an error, too.

Doyle;
I've seen similar protests in Thailand, Pakistan, Zimbabwe,etc., that lead nowhere. Die down. But I'm not asked to take such sharp stances on their "revolts" as Iran. What's up with that? I expect that pressure from outside the U.S. is going to move the depression politics to the left. I'm not hot to find revolt in everything. I expect change to happen though. I bet a real revolt will crop up outside of Iraq and Afghanistan.

JD writes;
It can become a "revolt" (and thus hopefully
worthy of Doyle's support).

Doyle;
I support leftist change. Doesn't have to be a revolt. I don't see that happening in Iran. Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. No strong reason in my view to change my mind now. This discussion has lost it's Pen-L viability. I'm through putting my two cents in.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
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