> raghu,
>
> Isn't what you are saying almost tautological ?  The majority of
> speculators in a bubble couldn't be shorting by definition of a
> bubble, no ? A speculative bubble _is_ a whole lot of speculation on
> prices rising in something ,or not ?
>



It is a tautology that a bubble is caused by speculators predominantly
betting on rising prices.

^^^^
CB: Given your statement below,  _some_ bubbles are caused by specs
predominantly betting on rising prices ?

Does anything besides speculators predominantly betting on rising
prices create bubbles ?

^^^^

It not a tautology that speculators always and everywhere create
bubbles. Whenever and wherever there is speculative money available, a
bubble is absolutely inevitable.

^^^^
CB: Is the second sentence supposed to be "not absolutely inevitable "
? Otherwise, it seems to contradict the first sentence. Should the
first sentence be " It is not true that speculators always and
everywhere create bubbles ?

^^^^^

I don't think this point has been well recognized. The consensus seems
to be that speculators *sometimes* cause bubbles when they go out of
control. Not true.
-raghu.

^^^^^
CB: Are you saying all bubbles are created by speculators ?

or  Speculators never fail to create bubbles ?
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