Jim Devine writes:

>> oooh, Straussians. I knew a few in college. They seem to have a
>> mystical approach to books by famous people (Machievelli, etc.),
>> always finding a message that other people can't see. Usually the
>> authors had this kind of hidden message in order to avoid persecution.
>> One of the Straussian tenets is that they should keep their own
>> message secret, too. If the unwashed masses knew what the Straussians
>> believe, the story goes, they'd face the fate of Socrates... Thus,
>> they have a reputation for secretive plotting (as part of the broader
>> neoconservative movement), as during the build-up to the US conquest
>> of Iraq in 2003.

It's not mystical.  I took a class in college from a Straussian and we read 
Machiavelli, Hobbes and Locke, very "closely" as the Straussians call it.  I 
remember sitting there thinking -- Jesus, the professor is right!  It's not 
that people can't see what the Straussians see, it's that most people don't 
read the books at all, and those that do claim to read them do not read them 
with care.  

And it is not that Straussians believe Straussians should be secretive, it is 
that "philosophers" must be careful, as the story of Socrates shows.  
"Political philosophy," according to the Straussians, is ultimately about the 
relationship between "philosophers" and the "city."  Philosophers (lovers of 
wisdom) are devoted to truth-seeking as the highest good, which is not the 
highest good of the "city", and if the philosopher openly announces in the 
marketsquare that the gods of the city are myths, it (1) endangers the life of 
the philosopher, and (2) endangers the happiness of the non-philosophers, who 
are not prepared to look death in the face and, if they believe there is no 
god, no life after death, no justice, etc., the social order will disintegrate. 
  The Straussian view that the philosopher needs to be careful seems valid 
enough to me, even in an open society like the USA.  For instance, if you 
believe that it is true that biological differences explain the different 
levels of success of men and women in the hard sciences, it is probably a good 
idea for you to be somewhat circumspect in presenting your view, because it 
challenges the foundational belief of the city that we are all created equal.

I should note that from the perspective of the Straussians, Marx is interesting 
and important because he believes that, once communism is achieved. all will be 
philosophers, not just the few.  Straussians are skeptical.  Strauss's extended 
exchange with Alexander Kojeve is one of the most important Strauss materials.  
  

>> Of course, there are no standardized definitions of any complex
>> concept. People can use this kind of idealist definition if they want
>> to ("capitalism means ... an ideology"). But as a student of society
>> and history, I know that ideologies go nowhere (i.e., have no effect
>> on human action) unless the social conditions are ripe. For capitalism
>> as an ideology to bloom, therefore, in practice we need capitalism
>> defined as as a type of social system to be present.

<snip> 

>> In the Marxian view, capitalism as a social system is _not_ one "based
>> on private property relations." Rather, it's one based on
>> individual[*] property rights in the means of production (factories,
>> land, etc.) It cannot be a complete social system without
>> proletarianized labor (i.e. a mass of workers who don't own the means
>> of production and are not owned as property themselves).
>> 
>> 
>> Nazi Germany fit this conception of capitalism, except to the extent
>> that it used slave labor. No system is _purely_ capitalist (though the
>> MLs love and the neoliberals tried to establish that utopia). The Nazi
>> economic system was dominated by its capitalist core, but it had slave
>> aspects. In fact it was capitalist organizations -- corporations --
>> that got a big share of the benefits of the use of slave labor.
>> 
>> Nazi capitalism was one case where the boundary between the state and
>> "civil society" (that part of society outside of the state sector) was
>> relatively fluid. The state was involved in production and the big
>> capitalists were strongly represented in government. One might call
>> that economy an amalgam between private capitalism (e.g., liberal
>> capitalism of 19th century England) and state capitalism (e.g.,
>> Algeria). But it was capitalism in the sense that the main means of
>> production were privately owned and there was a proletariat.

Defining "capitalism" is very difficult, precisely because Marxists are 
slippery and disingenuous.  (Sorry guys).  Marxists are forever slipping and 
sliding between allegedly neutral analysis and subjective moral valuations.  I 
can easily agree with you that we can call "capitalism" a social system 
dominated by private property relations and proletarianized labor.  Fine, that 
is "capitalism."  However, describing a social system as dominated by private 
property relations and proletarianized labor to a non-Marxist is, in the 
abstract, a neutral event, such a society has no intrinsic goodness or badness. 
 However, to a Marxist, identifying a specific society as dominated by private 
property relations and proletarianized labor, and therefore "capitalist," has 
all kinds of moral implications.  Such a society, depending on the Marxist, has 
inherent contradictions that will result in immiseration, is inherently 
alienating, is premised on exploitation, etc., and deserves revolutionary 
replacement.  Therefore, agreeing with a Marxist that something is "capitalist" 
is necessarily contentious.  I could agree with you that Nazi Germany was 
"capitalist" in the sense that yes, property continued to be held in private 
hands and there was a proletariat.  But that is the least interesting part of 
Nazi Germany -- only a Marxist could look at Nazi Germany and the USA and say: 
see, in both private property relations dominate and there is a proletariat, 
therefore they are both "capitalist" and their differences are one of 
marginality and not essence.  That is a peculiarly Marxist way of looking at 
things not shared by non-Marxists.

David Shemano






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