Give it up, folks. There is no motive for a conspiracy here. >On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 10:15 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:28 -0500, c b wrote: >> > CB: On climate change, actually, the new technology of the internet >> > can give you things that in the past would require going to a >> > university library and perhaps climatology classes. With your >> > critical thinking skills applied you can get for yourself a >> > preliminary solid answer to your question as to whether climate change >> > is occurring. There is a history on this of a number of skeptics >> > raising questions, which I'm sure are readily avaiblable from a search >> > engine search. >> >> If you're looking for an interesting case: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_McIntyre >> http://www.climateaudit.org/ >> >> By looking at government processed temperature data this guy found >> some anomaly, asked for source code and raw data but was denied his >> request. In the end the government scientist acknowleged there was a bug >> and thanked him. >> >> *But* raw unprocessed data on temperature collected using taxpayer >> funding, processing software and many other aspects of climate science >> still remains totally secret even after this affair. >> >> Now of course there is one category of people who tend to want to keep >> data secret: politicians. When I see so called "scientists" hide >> raw data from the public eye I see politicians not scientists. >> >> Now it's very likely to me that pumping carbon in the atmosphere at >> the scale and speed mankind has been doing will have major >> consequences. >> >> But in the internet age not making raw data public is a major >> shortcoming transforming in practice science/knowledge into >> religion/belief and making any informed and constructive debate >> impossible. >> >> See also my previous post on public data. > >A leak of emails announced yesterday put this lack of transparency in >the spotlight again: > >http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2009/11/21/74255/570 ><< >News of the moment is how email correspondence and some data from the >Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia has been >hacked from a webmail server and is now circulating across the internet. >The news was posted here and already includes some of the emails (in a >censored format) from the hack. There is presently a torrent download >available, here. >[...] >>> > >A nice quote: > ><< >"We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data >available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with >it." (Jones' reply to Warwick Hughes, 21. Februar 2005; confirmed by P. >Jones) >>> > >Laurent > > > >_______________________________________________ >pen-l mailing list >[email protected] >https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > >
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