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IMF Chief: Outlook For Economy Better, Still Fragile

January 14, 2010

The outlook for the world economy this year is stronger, but still
fragile. That's according to the managing director of the
International Monetary Fund — Dominique Strauss-Kahn. He tells host
Robert Siegel that fighting high unemployment is the highest priority
for the world right now — and that the crisis will only be over when
we're back to the level of unemployment we had before the crisis.
Strauss-Kahn also discusses the need for a massive economic
reconstruction plan for Haiti in the wake of the devastating
earthquake that hit the nation earlier this week. The IMF pledged $100
million — to be delivered very rapidly to Haiti.

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MELISSA BLOCK, host:

>From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Melissa Block.

ROBERT SIEGEL, host:

And I'm Robert Siegel.

The outlook for the world economy this year is stronger, but still
fragile. And the recovery is more sluggish in big, established
economies like ours than in the newly industrialized economies of
Asia. That is according to the managing director of the International
Monetary Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, at a news conference and in a
Web cast today. Mr. Strauss-Kahn joins us. Welcome to the program.

Mr. DOMINIQUE STRAUSS-KAHN (Managing Director, International Monetary
Fund): My pleasure.

SIEGEL: And you spoke today also about Haiti. You said that after the
immediate emergency needs are met there, there may be need of a
massive reconstruction plan for that country. What sort of thing do
you have in mind?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, on one hand we need to act very rapidly in
trying to provide this country with the needed resources. And so the
IMF has announced that they would be able to provide $100 million very
rapidly. But I do believe it's not enough. This country has been hit
several times in several years by hurricanes, high-price foods and now
this earthquake. And really, I believe, that the whole economy has to
be rebuilt. So it's something much bigger.

SIEGEL: A project that would cost, say, in the tens of billions or
hundreds of billions, what are you thinking?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, I can't just give a figure now. We have to go
on the ground and see exactly what is needed. But a piecemeal approach
now is not effective. You need to address it in a comprehensive way.

SIEGEL: Well, let's turn now to the International Monitory Fund's
outlook for 2010. When you said that the outlook for the world economy
is stronger, but fragile, you added a warning: Don't back off economic
stimulus programs too soon. What's the danger of countries backing off
their economic stimulus programs?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, the problem is as growth is coming back, and
that's the good news, growth is coming back faster than expected. But
in many countries, but maybe Asian countries, this growth is mainly
supported by a public program, the stimulus, which is fine. That's
what the reason why this stimulus has been put in place. But at the
same time, it means that the private demand is not still that strong.

And so if people were just fooled by the growth resuming, saying the
figures are good, we are back to business as usual and we don't need
to have the stimulus anymore, then it will be a mistake because we
will have a risk of what some economists call a double dip, which is a
new downturn in the crisis.

SIEGEL: And you think that that risk would apply to the United States
among those countries that you'd be addressing too?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, I don't think that it will happen, providing
that we go on with the programs and the stimulus which have been put
in place. But if in some part of the world people were thinking that
it's time to withdraw fast, then there will be a risk of this kind of
double dip.

SIEGEL: What does the IMF see as the likelihood of unemployment in the
United States, say, declining below 10 percent in this year?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, that's the big problem. The fact that growth
is coming back does not mean that unemployment is going to decrease
rapidly. In the U.S., as in European countries, unemployment now is
around 10 percent. And the peak will be reached only in a few months
from now. So it means that that has to be the main concern, the
highest priority for everybody - fighting against unemployment. And
the crisis really will be over only when we will be back to the level
of unemployment we had before the crisis.

SIEGEL: I want to ask you about an observation that many people have
made about the IMF, including the former IMF chief economist Joseph
Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate who will be on this program tomorrow by
coincidence and that is that when the International Monetary Fund or
the U.S., for that matter, are just countries to continue to spend and
stimulate their economies in the face of this crisis, they're saying
the opposite of what the IMF told, say, the Asian countries when they
had an economic crisis.

In those days, it was, raise your interest rates, get rid of your
deficits. What do you to say to people for whom the IMF remedy in the
past was much more painful medicine than you're prescribing to big
countries today?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Well, first you have to take into account the crisis
in the past was not the same crisis that we're facing today. So,
different crisis, different remedies. But let's be blunt. It's true to
say that we learn from the past crisis. And we learn that we need to
take into account not only the economics of the crisis, but also the
political environment, the social cost, the fact that the poorest in
the society are always the most vulnerable to the programs to get rid
of the crisis. And so the problem is not only on the sheet of paper to
find the right numbers, the problem is to be able to implement it for
the benefit of the people. [!!!]

SIEGEL: Am I correct in hearing a note of almost contrition in that
statement that the IMF was getting it wrong in the past?

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can say that. You can
say that. I have no problem with that. I think that the IMF learned a
lot from the Asian crisis. We did some things good and some things
bad. And I think that, really, the world now has a new IMF. [is that
like the "new Nixon" of yesteryear?]

SIEGEL: Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International
Monetary Fund, thank you very much for talking with us today.

Mr. STRAUSS-KAHN: Thank you.

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