Nobody ever thought that a welfare state meant real welfare -- that was not 
the point.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:47:52PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
> 
> 
> Michael Perelman wrote:
> > 
> > I believe that a welfare state might be in the long run interests of
> > capital as a way to manage labor -- that is what Lou Proyect mentioned
> > earlier.
> 
> A welfare state that does not increase educational opportunities (which
> means stuent subsidies, since a student who has to work in college isn't
> really astudent) and reduce hours of labor (enforced stringently,
> whether workers want to work longer or not), is only a pretense. And if
> a state approaches that situation, it generates what is _really_ a risk
> to capitalism: a desire for freedom from having the meaning of your
> activity determined not by its concrete results but by the activity of
> strangers (as when a rise in productivity 10,000 miles away threatens
> your job).
> 
> The '60s were a warning shot acoss the bow of capitalism. Leisure
> (including leisure of students) did increase in the late '50s and early
> '60s. Students had time to think and read and talk to each other. And
> there was _also_ a population not fully served by that and to a great
> extent not even 'in' the system (the Jim Crow) -- that poulation,
> looking on what was happening, and having gained _some_ breathing room
> itself, revolted. The students noticed, and they began to revolt. (This
> was not a "generation gap," but merely (as has always been the case,
> younger workers taking the lead in a working-class uprising)) And the
> Black Revolution spread to the cities of the North in the form of the
> Panthers, DRKUM, etc, who introduced a wholly new factor in to U.S.
> politcs: Inmdepnednet Black organizations, rooted in the Black
> community, who united with the white or mixed movements on their own
> terms. One can make a list of 1000 stupid things done in that decade,
> but they are all irrelevant to the tremendous leaps forward in
> funamental conceptions of forms of resistance.
> 
> The Capitalists won't risk that again, if they can help it.
> 
> Carrol
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