Awhile back (ages ago in Internet time), Robert Naiman wrote:
> I understand and trust that you don't see yourself as promoting
> inactivism, but I think the practical consequence of your approach is
> to promote inactivism, regardless of your intent.

A sole focus on the electoral arena as the only place for political
activism promotes "inactivism," as does the idea that progressive
change (meaning change that we want) arises first and foremost from
electing people we like, to the exclusion of any political action
that's independent of the established big-two political parties. As
the wave of money sweeps the electoral arena (with neoliberals,
including Clinton, Obama, etc., surfing that wave) and as the duopoly
political parties are washed further and further to the right (away
from what "progressives" want), this small-picture view of politics
encourages nothing but cynicism. If you equate political progress with
an allegiance to one or the other of the establishment political
parties, you're bound to be disappointed.

> How did we get here? I made a proposal for action in the arena of
> electoral politics; not a proposal for action in the distant future,
> but a proposal for action relative to 2012: namely, that
> "progressives" should support a Democratic presidential primary in
> 2012.

As I said before, if people want to vote for those folks, that's a
harmless indoor sport. Individual voting has a minuscule impact on the
world.

But it's more important to change the balance of political power,
which improve the quality of both DP and GOP candidates (just as the
extra-electoral efforts of the Teabaggers tilted the playing field in
_their_ direction). It's the rise of the labor movement in the 1930s
(along with the rise of the Civil Rights movement and similar
movements -- and the exit of the Dixiecrats & old-fashioned political
machines) that made the DP a more attractive proposition to
progressives. For awhile even a creep like Nixon was looking pretty
"progressive" (at least by today's standards). But then the right-wing
wave of the 1970s and after have pushed the DP in the other,
rightward, direction (with the vast majority of the politicians "going
with the flow"). Merely voting for DP candidates is not going change
the tide.

The only way to counteract the "one-dollar/one-vote" rigged democracy
that we see in this country (if not most of the world) is to organize
"people power" (for lack of a better phrase). One basic principle is
to maintain one's political independence, not compromising one's
principles or organization to kow-tow to some establishment
politician. That means that it's okay -- even "progressive" -- to be
divisive, to "speak truth to power" to even the politicians we may
like better than the worse of two evils. It's true that the
established political parties will attack you (as the GOP attacked
ACORN or both parties attack all "third" party efforts), but that says
that you have to be ready.

> You object to the fact that for the purposes of this enterprise I
> characterize the American political world as consisting of "Democrats"
> and "Republicans," but as anyone can see from direct observation,
> that's the world that exists, relative to electoral politics in the
> U.S. at present.

This is an inaccurate portrayal of the "political world." Politics is
much more than elections.  (In foreign policy, we find US elite
spokestypes making this mistake again and again, equating "democracy"
with elections, choosing Thieu & Key, Karzai, or whomever, unless
Hamas gets in.)  The American _electoral_ world is _dominated_
(duopolized?) by two major organizations, the DP and the GOP.

These organizations are _not_ the same as those people who largely
hold their noses and vote for them, seeing one or the other as the
lesser of two weevils. Most people are exactly that, people, mostly
with jobs, friends, places to live, etc. They should be treated as
individuals, not as "company men and women" for one of the dominating
political parties. They may see themselves as "Democrats" or
"Republicans," but their loyalty to these distant, bureaucratic, and
profoundly corrupt organizations has become increasingly attenuated.
It's not like party loyalty is being passed down between the
generations the way it used to be. It's a good thing, by the way, that
more and more people are seeing themselves as "Independents." We need
more independent thinking.

As with any organization, these two parties represent much more than
the people who support them (either actively or passively). Each of
the two dominant parties is a coalitions of a bunch of different
political tendencies, with the GOP leaning more toward being a
"democratic centralist" party (i.e., a top-down political machine) and
the DP leaning more toward incoherence (conflicts between the mildly
"progressive" -- usually technocrats -- and the dominant business
interests, etc.) Each of the two parties has a political apparatus and
is held together by a alliances and compromises among the political
power-brokers (usually those who are best at raising funds from rich
folks, since money is so important to keeping the parties going). Each
of the two involves a bunch of political consultants and professional
"activists" who use Madison Avenue techniques (and expensive
advertising campaigns) to fool and scare voters.

Back when I was involved with the DP (in the early 1970s), I
discovered that the apparatus is totally top-down in orientation. If
you don't accept the parameters that a candidate and his or her
machine sets, you are encouraged to leave the campaign.

> Now, some folks find this reality unbearable to contemplate and engage
> with, and as a result, they don't engage in electoral politics.

I don't know about "some folks." It's true that reality, as I see it,
is pretty disgusting (see above), but that doesn't mean we can't
"engage" with electoral politics. It's just that we have to know that
the most effective "electoral politics" work is done outside of the
narrowly-defined electoral arena. It doesn't come from subordinating
one's mind and body to some DP candidate (and that's what they want).
Rather, it comes from educating people about issues and then trying to
get them to push the electoral politicians to the left. (It's a focus
on issues and avoiding the adulation of politicians that has to
characterize independent political action.) Once an issue-oriented
constituency is created, the politicians flock to exploit it, so we
have to "stick to our guns." (BTW, ACORN was pretty good at that,
though I think they may have lost their independence from the DP
before they lost their organization.)

> Whether one agrees with this political choice or not, at least it's 
> consistent.
>
> But you seem to want to have it both ways: you want to intervene
> against the proposal, but from the standpoint of an analysis that
> adopts a stance of denial against the objective political terrain that
> the proposal is addressing. This seems inconsistent to me.

"intervene"? what does that mean? are you saying that anyone who
disagrees with your implicit assumptions about politics is attacking
_you_? that your proposals should never be criticized except by
insiders or people who agree with your assumptions? All I was saying
was that decrying "divisiveness" seems pretty silly in an era when the
Teabaggers have succeeded pretty well (so far) by being divisive. And
that the political establishment can be just as divisive, since they
want undermine any forces that threaten their power and that of their
campaign contributors.
-- 
Jim DevineĀ / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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