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----- Forwarded Message ---- From: ken hanly <[email protected]> To: Robert Naiman <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 3:21:45 PM Subject: Re: [Pen-l] The UN Security Council Has Not Authorized Regime Change in Libya The LIbyan government already asked for observers. Of course neither the rebels nor those responsible for the UN no fly zone etc. are likely to pay the least attention to this. The media will not either.:: Libya has asked Turkey, Malta and China to send observers to monitor a ceasefire announced by the government, an official said, denying reports that attacks on rebel lines were continuing. "We are in contact with Turkey, Malta and China and we have asked them to send observers to monitor the ceasefire," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Cheers ken ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Naiman <[email protected]> To: Progressive Economics <[email protected]> Cc: ken hanly <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:15:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pen-l] The UN Security Council Has Not Authorized Regime Change in Libya The fact that there are conflicting reports on whether the Libyan government is complying with its ceasefire announcement shows the need for independent international evaluation of these claims, akin to the UN weapons inspectors going into Iraq before the Iraq war. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:12 PM, ken hanly <[email protected]> wrote: > > The resolution also called for an immediate ceasefire and negotiations. Libya > agreed to a ceasefire but the rebels have not and fighting continues. The >rebels > say that Gadaffi is violating his ceasefire. The whole affair seems a sham to > me. There may be real interest in negotiation on Gadaffi's part but not on the > part of the powers involved in the no fly zone etc. The British, French, and US > all want Gadaffi gone no matter what. Sarkozy is one of the most eager. Gadaffi > wants the money back he spent on Sarkozy's 2007 campaign! > The idea of protecting civilians is weird. It is not as if Gadaffi is > gunning down peaceful protesters. The protesters have taken up arms and are > trying to take over the government. This is war and now the UN has joined on >one > side but those involved do not want to suffer many casualties so they will use > the protesters as proxies to help unseat Gadaffi. Many more Libyans will no > doubt be killed to protect Libyans. Will the west condemn the rebels for not > accepting a cease fire? > > Cheers, ken > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Naiman <[email protected]> > To: Progressive Economics <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 1:45:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Pen-l] The UN Security Council Has Not Authorized Regime Change >in > Libya > > Maybe it is a difference without a distinction to you; maybe it is a > difference without a distinction to the French; but it is not a > difference without a distinction to Russia, China, Germany, Brazil, > India, and South Africa, whose support was crucial for achieving > passage of the UN Security Council resolution. > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 3/18/2011 2:37 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: >>> In which I note that the UN Security Council has authorized military >>> action *to protect civilians*, not military action to overthrow the >>> Libyan government. >>> >>>http://my.firedoglake.com/robertnaiman/2011/03/18/the-un-security-council-has-not-authorized-regime-change-in-libya/ >>> >>> >>>/ >>> >>> >> >> A difference without a distinction. >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> > > > > -- > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > -- Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org [email protected] _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
