I agree with that. Workers will never go to the barricades over "exploitation," but they will, under the right conditions, over freedom, of which the battle over hours is a core pat. It was the threat to limit their freedom (to bargain), however illusory that freedom was, and not the "austerity" drive, that triggered the revolt in Wisconsin. Unions at their worst help preserve that feeling of being free.
Carrol On 5/11/2011 6:46 PM, Sandwichman wrote: > Stepping back a bit from what he said about wages in one snippet, the bigger > picture for Marx was that it was the struggle over HOURS that contained the > seeds of revolutionary transformation. > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Carrol Cox<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 5/11/2011 5:17 PM, Sandwichman wrote: >> >>> ...and so an exchange rambles on, heedless of its digression from the >>> subject line and the question that initiated it. I guess the short answer >>> would be "Living wage? Kill jobs? Myth? Who cares?" >>> >>> >> I think Karl would have agreed: >> >> These few hints will suffice to show that the very development of modern >> industry must progressively turn the scale in favour of the capitalist >> against the working man, and that consequently the general tendency of >> capitalistic production is not to raise, but to sink the average >> standard of wages, or to push the value of labour more or less to its >> minimum limit. Such being the tendency of things in this system, is this >> saying that the working class ought to renounce their resistance against >> the encroachments of capital, and abandon their attempts at making the >> best of the occasional chances for their temporary improvement? If they >> did, they would be degraded to one level mass of broken wretches past >> salvation. I think I have shown that their struggles for the standard of >> wages are incidents inseparable from the whole wages system, that in 99 >> cases out of 100 their efforts at raising wages are only efforts at >> maintaining the given value of labour, and that the necessity of >> debating their price with the capitalist is inherent to their condition >> of having to sell themselves as commodities. By cowardly giving way in >> their everyday conflict with capital, they would certainly disqualify >> themselves for the initiating of any larger movement. >> >> >> Carrol >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
