Fukuyama obviously confuses Schumpeter with Oskar Lange

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Jim Devine <[email protected]> wrote:

> at
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/books/review/f-a-hayek-big-government-skeptic.html
> ,
> Francis Fukuyama writes:
> >Hayek’s skepticism about the effects of “big government” are rooted in an
> epistemological observation summarized in a 1945 article called “The Uses of
> Knowledge in Society.” There he argued that most of the knowledge in a
> modern economy was local in nature, and hence unavailable to central
> planners. The brilliance of a market economy was that it allocated resources
> through the decentralized decisions of a myriad of buyers and sellers who
> interacted on the basis of their own particular knowledge. The market was a
> form of “spontaneous order,” which was far superior to planned societies
> based on the hubris of Cartesian rationalism. He and his fellow Austrian
> Ludwig von Mises used this argument against Joseph Schumpeter in a famous
> debate in the 1930s and ’40s over whether socialism or capitalism offered a
> more efficient economic system. In hindsight, Hayek clearly emerged the
> winner. <
>
> does anyone know anything about this "famous debate"?
>
> BTW, Hayek's theory is clearly wrong if it says that "most of the
> knowledge in a modern economy was local in nature." Individuals --
> including individual firms -- clearly know much more about the
> benefits and costs that affect them as individuals alone than do
> "central planners." But they have limited knowledge of externalities
> (how their actions impose costs on other people, etc.) and hardly any
> knowledge at all about macro-level effects of their actions (as with
> global warming or macroeconomic demand failure). Even if they do know
> these things, the individualized incentives (profit-grubbing) of a
> capitalist economy encourage them to externalize as many of their
> individual costs as possible (dumping them on others) and internalize
> as many external benefits as possible.
>
> BTW2, can someone explain how there can be a "spontaneous order" in a
> market without the state using coercion to enforce (some) property
> rights?
> --
> Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
> way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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