Cool comfort -- very cold -- may be had, though, from the fact that
deliberate sabotaging (self) discipline, cooperation and organization of the
workers also undermines system rationality.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:51 PM, c b <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Sandwichman
>
> Answer: "but with this too grows the revolt of the working class, a class
> always increasing in numbers, and disciplined, united, organised by the
> very
> mechanism of the process of capitalist production itself." Maybe not
> "dialectical rubbish" but perhaps wishful thinking as to the logical
> inevitability of the "very mechanism of the process of capitalist
> production
> itself" disciplining, uniting and organizing the working class for the
> revolt to expropriate the expropriators.
>
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> CB:  Yup :>(  .  Unfortunately, Jay Gould's dictum that he could hire
> half the working class to kill the other half has played as much a
> role in capitalist history since 1867 as Marx's dictum.  This has been
> by both out right murderous forms as in the US wars on Korea and
> Vietnam and,  "civil" forms as in relatively high living standards
> afforded masses of workers in Western nations that beget opportunism.
>
> The capitalists have learned from Marx. They have taken measures that
> very precisely counter the processes Marx drew attention to.  For
> example, with so-called  globalization they have scattered the point
> of production physically and geographically significantly  reversing
> what Marx termed "cooperation" - putting large numbers of workers in
> one plant or factory , and in industrially concentrated regions.
> Marx  used the term "cooperation"  in an earlier chapter ( from the
> above quoted passage) in which he defines industry as the combination
> of cooperation and machinery.   The number of workers necessary to do
> a job is reduced in general  by the constant revolution of the
> instruments of production ( see _Manifesto of the Communist Party).
> More efficient machinery or instruments of production is defined by
> fewer person hours necessary to do the same amount of work.  The
> revolutions in science and technology which allows more specifically
> automation, and major advances in communication and transportation
> have made this possible.
>
> Cooperation is a major aspect of how Marx sees that workers are
> "disciplined, united, organised by the very mechanism of the process
> of capitalist production itself".  Significantly  negating cooperation
> or partially negating it undermines Marx's prediction  substantially.
>  The negation of cooperation was through the greater development of
> machinery ( computers, automation , containerization, trucks, et al).
> So, this is dialectical in that one aspect of this unity and struggle
> of opposites negates the other aspect.  But it is not a happy
> dialectic from the standpoint of the working class burying capitalism.
>  boo hoo !
>
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