Exactly. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Max Sawicky <[email protected]> wrote:
> I haven't insisted on anything, except that cheese whiz on a steak > sandwich, or anything really, is a crime against humanity. Since I'm not > camping out, I don't think I have any right to start providing > instructions. But this is just a conversation. > > It's delusional to try and craft some model legislation for the occupation > to advance. It is useful IMO to think about demands in the manner of > talking points, distilled to slogans for some purposes. 'This is what we > are for.' It's not as if something needs to be hammered out and voted on and > pledged to, just that messages with some focus emerge. > > Think of it this way: if you had been sleeping in the park for a month and > a journalist asked why YOU were there, what would you say? Would would be > the best thing to say. > > I think this is the spirit of Carrol and the Flaneur. If not I will humbly > retire to my bureaucratic bunghole. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Right. My demand is "Repeal the Coase theorem." Ha ha. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I do not understand at all this fuss over "demands." >>> >>> I suppose the model is the industrial strike or the building occupation. >>> A group interferes with or s tops the operation of some entity (a >>> factory or a university) and declares that the stoppage will end only >>> when a specific authority which is the target grants certain demands. >>> >>> But OWS is a nation-wide (even world wide) expression of general >>> repugnance at the current ordering of civic and economic life. To make >>> specific demands (on whom?) would be very nearly a betrayal of the whole >>> outpouring of public anger. If these "demos" are aimed at anyone, it is >>> not any entityu that coudl satisfy such demands but is aimed at us -- at >>> the whole working-class of the United States. The implicit demand is >>> that _we_ join them or, better actually, we go to work to build related >>> actions and organizations in out community. Insisting that OWS make >>> demands is playing in the sandbox. Juvenile. >>> >>> Carrol >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pen-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandwichman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Sandwichman
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