Jim, 

Whatever about worker coops, you remain relied on to put down anything that 
can't be supported by Mankiw.

Gene


On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Jim Devine wrote:

> some points about worker coops:
> 
> 1) bankers don't like to finance worker-owned firms (for which the
> availability of credit is crucial), though they become more willing to
> lend to the extent that such firms act like capitalist ones.
> 
> 2) competition with capitalist firms in product markets also tends to
> drive worker-owned firms under -- or drive them to emulate capitalist
> ones. Though a lot of data suggests that worker-owned firms produce
> more of their products per hour of labor than do capitalist ones
> producing the same product, the latter often have advantages due to
> diversification (producing several things), having marketing networks,
> and greater access to credit. Old-fashioned economies of scale also
> help larger factories or workplaces, which become hard to run
> democratically, as worker-owned firms are supposed to be.
> 
> 3) a worker-owned firm can be like a college fraternity or a craft
> union, paying no attention to (or even looking down on) outsiders,
> excluding non-members from employment (or hiring them as non-members
> with fewer privileges and lower wages). This kind of organization may
> also dump costs (pollution) on others and the natural environment.
> Though democracy is great for those who can vote, those who are
> excluded often don't feel the same way.
> 
> Just as with capitalist firms (under a successful system of social
> democracy), worker-owned firms need a much larger social system of
> regulation. I can see worker coops as part of a larger socialist
> system.
> 
>> In Indiana, the Republican state treasurer, Richard Mourdock, is using state 
>> deposits to lower interest costs to employee-owned companies, a precedent 
>> others states could easily follow. <
> 
> in a time when state governments are cutting back like crazy due to
> budget woes?
> 
> -- 
> Jim Devine / "In an ugly and unhappy world the richest man can
> purchase nothing but ugliness and unhappiness." -- George Bernard Shaw
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