Carrol writes:

> Frankly, I do not believe that capitalist societies will
> ever bring power consumption under control.

Energy (meaning low-entropy energy or exergy) is the only
natural resource where our planet has a supply that
practically lasts for ever, namely the steady inflow of
solar radiation.  In every other respect the planet is a
closed system.  Therefore the economy must come to a state
where the inflow of high-grade solar energy powers the
recycling of everything else.  The natural system does that:
every waste product of one species is food for another
species, there is no buildup of pollution.  Such a circular
flow is compatible with the laws of physics because of the
steady inflow of low-entropy solar energy.  But our
industrial system is far from such a sustainable circular
flow.  This is not an academic issue, it is a burning issue
today.  Recent research shows that due to bioaccumulation
pollution has become unbearable, it decreases the IQs of
newborn babies, increases autism, confuses their hormones.
Industrial production has to be entirely reinvented.  This
switch goes far beyond the switch from capitalism to
socialism.

Renewable energy is only one piece in this puzzle, but it is
urgent because of global warming and ocean acidification.
The question what the obstacles are for renewable energy and
how energy can be stored etc must be solved by every social
organization of production, whether socialist or capitalist.
It is not a trivial question.  The view is widely held in
the US that a complete switch to renewable energy is
impossible, while Europe is making great strides to do
exactly that.  It is important to understand the true limits
of renewable energy.

In other words, I don't think we are glossing over
the question of political power if we discuss this.

Hans
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