Thanks for passing along the Sam Gindin point. It has been made before and seems obvious to me. But labor focuses on very narrow interests and Occupy seems to have silos for people looking to take care of an interest group need (student loans, mortgages underwater, no jobs for recent graduates) and nothing of the creative renewal for all that Gindin mentions as the need.
And a question for Julio: I had the impression URPE was discouraging economists from coming to camp this year -- in order to leave space for Occupy folks. Did I have the wrong impression? Gene On Jun 8, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > >> However, and I'll >> be brutal about it, the people who can really change the unions for >> good (or create unions anew that bypass the old ones, which would be >> another approach to make the old unions irrelevant) are the workers at >> their respective workplaces. > > But there's also this important point, made by Sam Gindin: > >> Very good response; I think you are right on re labour. The one thing I’d >> add, and I think it is very significant, is that this crisis in labour >> overlaps with the crisis on the left. I’m convinced that any renewal in >> labour won’t happen until there is an organized left with feet inside and >> outside labour - and even then it would have to be a left of a particularly >> creative kind. Which raises the unavoidable question of what we do to create >> such a left if neither the unions nor the democratic party are sites to make >> this happen and the notion of this happening through the old Leninist >> structures seems no less of a dead-end. THIS is the challenge that needs >> taking on.... > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
