On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Chuck Grimes <[email protected]> wrote:

> Then I read this quick little news piece about Obama using a budget
> argument
> to close Gitmo. Nevermind it was created by fiat and funded somewhere in
> the
> military budget, where the President can control its purpose, development,
> and costs as commander and chief.
>
> It is ridiculous to blame Congress for keeping Guantanamo open and
> ridiculous to keep people there who are free of even manufactured
> charges...
>


Now there are two very different things in the above that are worth
disentangling.

First, I have serious doubts over Obama's sincerity regarding Guantanamo.
This is after all a guy who sees no problem with indefinite detention and
with drone strikes. So I am totally with you about the ridiculousness of
Obama's position on the whole thing.

Second and completely unrelated to Obama's sincerity or lack thereof is the
appropriateness of economic arguments on a subject that is really about
basic human rights and decency. Now I happen to think that the economic
argument on its merits is very weak. It simply does not cost all that much
money to run Guantanamo, especially in a world of high unemployment and
deflation. The US government can easily afford to run a hundred
Guantanamo-like gulags for a hundred years without running out of money.

Nevertheless, I completely understand the rhetorical necessity of the
economic argument. Our fucked-up social norms *require* this in order to be
taken seriously.

This second point was what I was making and I am afraid I didn't (and still
don't) get the joke in your earlier email.
-raghu.
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