On 9/23/13 3:38 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
> I wouldn't expect someone treating McCain and Palin as the lesser of
> the two evils in the US's duopolistic political system to vote for
> the greater one.

I am not sure what you are referring to but I have always viewed people 
like McCain and Romney as the greater evil. That is why the shell game 
works. It gives you the illusion that you are saving the republic from 
mad men, fascists, etc.

> Debs was correct, as was Lenin who described the social democrats of
> that period in similar fashion - as "bourgeois" parties supported by
> the trade unions, aiming at reform rather than the overthrow of the
> system. In attenuated fashion, that still serves as a description of
> the contemporary Democratic Party in the US, the British Labour
> Party, the French SP, and the German SPD, all of whom share the same
> liberal ideology and program, social composition at the base and
> leadership level, and political reflexes when they form governments.
>

Yes, but when Lenin was writing about the social democrats of the 1920s, 
he was referring to parties that participated in insurrectionary 
struggles in Germany. In fact it was a mistake to launch a new 
international. Or at the very least to build a 2 1/2 International instead.
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