I'm working on a review of Klein's books, but my health is preventing me
from completing it. What I think I will end up doing is a very short piece,
where I link to some things that have already been written and add what I
think are the missing pieces that other reviews have not dealt with. But I
do want to point out one false premise: Yes Klein supports a carbon tax,
but not as a prime or only solution. She also supports massive public
investment and regulation - in short all three legs of a solution.  There
is a huge difference between *focusing* on a carbon tax, and supporting it
as one piece of a larger solution.  Klein's book takes the latter position,
not the former. I do have some criticism that is somewhat different from
any other I have seen. But I think much of the existing critques I've seen
both from Big Green and from the left are wrong. (Bias alter: Klein was
influence by my own book "Solving the Climate Crisis Prager(2012), cites it
in her own, and has given me a blurb.)

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Joseph Green <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > >> On 11/22/14 9:31 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The fact that former Mayor Bloomberg could join the climate march
> ought
> to
> > >> generate some caution.
> > >
> > > [Louis Proyect wrote] I agree with Carrol. We need a communistic
> climate
> change movement led
> > > by fighting detachments of an aroused proletariat.
> >
> [Marvin Gandall wrote]
> > Not to mention, on a more serious note, that not all capitalists
> > outside the coal, gas and oil industries are wedded to fossil fuels and
> > unconcerned about their disruptive and potentially catastrophic effects.
>  > Bloomberg is a prominent spokesperson of this growing wing of the
> > bourgeoisie. If solar and other alternative energy prices continue to
> fall
> > in line with advanced technology and more widespread adoption and become
> > more cost-effective and safer than environmentally destructive forms of
> > energy, there's no reason to suppose today's capitalists would not do
> what
> > previous generations of capitalists have done and move to superior forms
> of
> > energy. It's not an inevitable development,  but neither can it be ruled
> > out.
>
> Carrol Cox's opposition to the environmental movement is completely wrong,
> would doom the left to impotence, and would increase the danger of
> environmental collapse. But it's also wrong to be complacent about the
> bourgeois wing of the environmental movement. Yes, even today a section of
> the bourgeoisie is concerned about the environment, and more will be in the
> future. But establishment environmentalism has put forward futile
> marketplace
> solutions. Indeed, it's measures aren't simply weak or inadequate, but some
> of them have made things worse.
>
> * There's the corn ethanol fiasco. This is an example of a section of the
> bourgeoisie realizing it can make a profit from certain measures, and it
> has
> been a fiasco.
>
> * There was the promotion of biofuel from palm oil. This  has helped
> accelerate the devastation of the rain forests.
>
> * There is cap and trade, which was a fiasco in Europe under Kyoto.
>
> * There is the carbon offset program, which isn't simply weak or
> ineffective,
> but has done environmental harm in various ways.
>
> * There is the promotion of nuclear power by various bourgeois
> environmentalists.
>
> * There is even the promotion of geo-engineering, which promises disasters
> of
> its own. Why let global warming destroy the planet, when the bourgeoisie
> can
> do it directly with geo-engineering?
>
> * And so on...
>
> One of the positive points of Naomi Klein's book was the chapter on "Big
> Green", the large bourgeois environmental organizations. These
> organizations
> even have financial deals with the fossil fuel companies. The more I see
> the
> issue of bourgeois environmentalism avoided in this discussion, the more I
> appreciate that Naomi Klein devotes some attention to it and is angry about
> it.
>
> Another useful exposure of bourgeois environmentalism is in the book "Green
> gone wrong: Dispatches from the front lines of eco-capitalism" by Heather
> Rogers. She shows, for example, concretely how various fair trade plans,
> supposed to be ecologically friendly, don't help either the small peasant
> producer or the environment.
>
> Neither Klein nor Rogers have a clear plan on how to build an effective
> section of the environmental movement consciously independent of Big Green.
> But their books help show why this is needed. The left must not simply
> participate in the environmental movement, but build up a working-class
> section of the movement, which doesn't simply cheer the bourgeois
> environmentalists on, but has a separate program for what measures need to
> be
> taken in order to effectively fight the environmental crisis.
>
> So far, even the more radical and militant section of the environmental
> movement, a section which has carried out many excellent actions, generally
> won't directly take on Big Green and has connections with the bourgeois
> environmentalists through Al Gore or various foundations, etc. Even the
> section that criticizes market measures in general, generally supports the
> carbon tax as supposedly something else. This amounts, in practice, to a
> tacit alliance with the market fundamentalism of the bourgeois
> environmentalists. Such environmentalists as Timothy Flannery (who was a
> Green Party activist at one time, but I don't know what has become of him)
> worry about  planning being a "carbon dictatorship" (Flannery's term). The
> major emphasis on setting the "carbon price" is an attempt to avoid the
> "carbon dictatorship" through a price mechanism; it is a tacit alliance
> (and
> sometimes an open and direct alliance) with bourgeois environmentalism; and
> it means evading the need to fight neo-liberalism. (The one correct thing
> about Shane Mage's comment was that he directly showed the market nature of
> the carbon tax.)
>
> Carrol Cox concludes from the need to oppose bourgeois environmentalism
> that
> all environmentalism is bourgeois, and that we can and should ignore it.
> That
> is a fatal error. In fact, Carrol Cox's abstention from the environmental
> movement would turn it over to the hands of bourgeois environmentalism, and
> thus maximize the chance of environmental catastrophe. The left should take
> part in the the environmental movement, but it should develop a
> working-class
> section of the environmental movement, working-class not just in
> composition
> but in its opposition to the mistaken orientations of Big Green.
>
> -- Joseph Green
>
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