On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Marv Gandall <[email protected]> wrote:

> In that sense, your reply doesn’t so much contradict as confirm my
> impression [...] that there is “concretely, not much  difference in the
> demands favoured by the established environmental organizations and the
> left-wing of the environmental movement”.




Why are you surprised by this? It is the Narcissism of Petty Differences,
which is on glorious display on PEN-L pretty much all the time.

You see the same thing for instance in discussions of health-care, where we
often see harsh criticisms of "bourgeois liberals", whereas in reality,
liberals like Joseph Stiglitz or Paul Krugman - favor the exact same thing
as any socialist - an universal single-payer health-care system.

The main problem with mainstream organizations - environmental, education,
communication, healthcare whatever - apparently is that they do not
advocate for the abolition of private property.
-raghu.
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