On Aug 23, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8/23/15 7:42 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: >> Isn’t this precisely the line the Tsipras leadership has taken all along, >> which you endorsed? > > Why don't you get into the habit of quoting people if you are going to > characterize them? I said that I thought the Thessalonika Program was > worth fighting for but was very skeptical that it could be achieved > without massive solidarity from the European working class and the > radical movement. It turned out that nothing materialized. If you look > at the film on the British miners strike I reviewed recently, or if you > followed it when it occurred, it was defeated even with a fairly > widespread and massive backing. The movie "Pride" showed how gays and > lesbians rallied around the miners, for example. But in the end they > were not able to stop Thatcher. Furthermore, I don't think that Greece's > problems will be resolved by leaving the eurozone. Austerity comes in > different forms. Scotland is in terrible shape even though it is not in > the eurozone. We are talking about a deep crisis of capitalism not that > much different than the 1930s, at least for countries in Southern > Europe. What did it take to end the Great Depression? Keynesianism? Not > really. It took a bloody world war. That is not in the cards now for > obvious reasons.
It seems you’re very skeptical about the prospects for meaningful change in Greece or elsewhere - even where there is widespread support for social struggles - short of a world war. Am I still misquoting you? Your comment conjures up the Argentinian Juan Posadas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas#Nuclear_war). _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
