On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Ok, but what then? "
>
> At the risk of totally alienating the hipsters on this list with my
> "certain lack of imagination", I will take the liberty of mentioning that I
> wrote a BOOK on this topic, the unpublished manuscript of which has been
> available on SCRIBD for about five years
>

Wow, a lot of things to process there. First of all, so *I* am the
mysterious hipster on PEN-L? I had no idea. I looked up the term and I am
not sure if I should be flattered or insulted. But I will do my best to
play my part I guess.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

Secondly, Scribd??? You are clearly no hipster!



> Most of my posts to PEN-L on the topic have gone without reply.
>

Gee, you think that should tell you something? If I wrote a lot of blog
posts that furiously insisted that the earth is round, should I be
surprised or indignant if  they went without reply?



> What I have proposed instead is the formation of new kinds of collective
> institutions that have ample precedent in existing institutions.
>

Perhaps you could indulge me and give me one example of what one such
collective institution should look like and more importantly how it
translates into politics that I can get involved in. And I mean that
sincerely: I am fully convinced by your program. I simply do not know how
to accomplish it. You have a plan? Tell me how I can help.



I have no objection to policy proposals like paid family leave. They may
> even open space for more in depth discussion of the issue of working time.
> But such policy proposals do not begin to address the fundamental problem
> of the ecological unsustainability of wage labor, capital accumulation and
> industrial-scale conversion of habitat to toxic waste.
>


I am genuinely glad to hear this. They are not much by themselves, but you
are wrong: they do *begin* to address the fundamental problems. The point
is they are just a beginning and the question is what are you going to do
with them? Mock and dismiss them, or build on them?
-raghu.
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