Re: [PEN-L] What the bleep do we know ? movie on quantum mechanics

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>> but if there's no objective reality, your senses could be fooling you.<<   <<^^^^ CB: However, there is objective reality.>>     Comment   If there were no objective reality how could one senses be fooled by something that did not exist?   Now, the wife be fooling me or why senses be fooling me about the wife because the wife is very real.   The wife is real and asked when was I going to clean the carpet?   The carpet is real but I objectively think that it can be cleaned next month or in two weeks.   Now the senses and perception is another question that borders and rivets and becomes - rather it "is,"  inseparable from the precondition and result of "on what determines the unimpeded capacity of the senses," to deal with what is there before the senses become aware that they are senses.   This raises another question which is, "what is the definition or framework to determine that, which is unimpeded for the senses, after the senses discover that they exists and have something outside themselves to say, 'how in the fuck did I get here and where exactly is here and can you tell me how to get to Detroit?"   "On what basis does a mass of people sense whatever it is that the sense?"   What is the measure?   Objective reality which is by definition expressed subjectively . . . or it would not be objective reality but reality. In fact epistemology would not exists as a field of study.   Is the Wal-Mart that I am on my way to an objective reality, along with paying all my first of the month bills? Why I have to pay these bills is a forum of pondering and subject to change.   The Sun rising in the East . . . wait a minute.  The Sun rising and disappearing is an objective reality.   Wait . . . the Sun does not disappear into nothingness and then reappear but the Sun leaves the orbit of our vision.   The wife says, "if you were in a position to observe the earth and the sun in its orbital process whould the sun rise and set?"   I say, "wait a minute baby, you are not in the story yet and cannot objectively ask any questions."   In other words, is the World Poker Tour real? This is winning money and within the framework of Pen-L, money has something to objectively do with economics, so one can objectively talk about money and link it to the mode of accumulation of the things called money that allows you to get the things that money objectively are exchanged for.   This is so because when you win the World Poker Tour you have real money, which does not have to be based on real magnitudes of the physical but be spending money. If money cannot get me bars of gold from Fort Knox, but things and services, then it is objective and real even if the basis of its historical reality have passed. See . . . the money did not come out of your mind, but the ground that the mind eye saw.   I cannot prove "Objective reality" as philosophy but I cannot close my eyes and the wife disappear. At least she told me that after she studied some Buddhism or something.   She got up one morning and said, "I thought you would not exist or at least be gone."   "Gone from where baby? What you talking about?"   "Gone from here?"   "Baby . . . where is from here? This plane of existence?"   "No mutherfucker . . . right here and right now."   "Here and Now like the Luther Vandross record?"   "No mutherfucker . . . like the Bealtes when they song "Yesterday."   "Yesterday?"   "Yep!"   "What you mean baby? Like when they said, 'Yesterday . . . all my troubles seemed so far way . . . but know I need a place to hide and stay . . . oh I believe in yesterday. Suddenly. I'm not half the man I used to be. There's a cloud hanging over me?"   "Yep . . . thats the Yesterday."   "What the hell that got to do with objective reality and the power of the senses?"   "You still here."   "Over course I am still her baby."   She says, "I know because this is some objective shit."   Melvin P.