As Charles Brown pointed out, Nitzan appears to be
criticizing the "classical" (or traditional) Marxist
position without stooping to debate people who hold
that position. At the same time, Nitzan wants to
distance himself from other critics of the traditional
position, whom he dismisses wholesale as
"post-Marxists".

My own quarrel with Nitzan is neither Marxist nor
post-Marxist. If anything it is pre-Marxist. Nitzan
seems to want to redo what Marx already did too much
of -- demonstrating some new internal dynamic of
capital. I don't dispute that there are new "laws of
development" at play, nor do I dispute that what
Nitzan seems to be doing parallels what Marx did in
Capital. I simply think it is an exercise in
intellectual hubris.

My reticence toward understanding these new laws of
development doesn't come from thinking I already know
what they are. It comes from suspecting that such
knowledge would be largely incommunicable and,
furthermore, of limited practical political value.

Wily E. Coyote has run off the cliff and yet doesn't
fall into the canyon below. Nitzan says we must
re-evaluate the laws of aerodynamics and canine
physiology. I say it is the conventions of cartoon
animation and narrative that are at stake.

Charles Brown wrote:

> Basically, in case you didn't notice, I am upholding
> the classical Marxist
> position in relation to your challenge to it. So,
> are you saying the gap
> between your ideas and classical Marxist ideas is
> too wide for you to debate
> classical Marxists ? That seems , oh, a bit much ,
> since you seem to be
> putting forth a critique of the classical Marxist
> ideas. That would seem to
> make it incumbent upon you to reply to responses
> from classical Marxists.
> Otherwise, you are sort of saying "Marx is wrong,
> but I won't debate
> Marxists."


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